American1776
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I aw a story in Breitbart wherein the journal contacted the NJSP to ask if they will go door to door for magazines: essentially the NJSP did not rule it out.
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10 round magazine limit upheld in N.J.
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I aw a story in Breitbart wherein the journal contacted the NJSP to ask if they will go door to door for magazines: essentially the NJSP did not rule it out.
I really don't think there are going to be door-to-door searches for both practical and legal reasons.
The likely scenario is the same as for any other "contraband." Someone informs (ex spouses and significant others love to call the cops on their ex when the breakup didn't go so well) or police or fire or paramedics come to home for some unrelated reason and see something, or you are the victim of a burglary and the mag gets stolen and when the guy is caught with it, they open a case on you, or your kid or the neighbor kid, or your daughter's druggy boyfriend finds it and takes it and gets caught with it, etc.
Each person gets to decide for themselves if they are willing to risk a felony arrest over magazine capacity. Judging the odds of getting caught is hard to do, but then here is the question. If you can't use the mag at the range, or leave it in the gun for home defense, and so on, what is the value of having it anyway? Yeah, you could bury under the basement floor and probably never get caught with it, but what is the point?
The likely scenario is the same as for any other "contraband." Someone informs (ex spouses and significant others love to call the cops on their ex when the breakup didn't go so well) or police or fire or paramedics come to home for some unrelated reason and see something, or you are the victim of a burglary and the mag gets stolen and when the guy is caught with it, they open a case on you, or your kid or the neighbor kid, or your daughter's druggy boyfriend finds it and takes it and gets caught with it, etc.
Each person gets to decide for themselves if they are willing to risk a felony arrest over magazine capacity. Judging the odds of getting caught is hard to do, but then here is the question. If you can't use the mag at the range, or leave it in the gun for home defense, and so on, what is the value of having it anyway? Yeah, you could bury under the basement floor and probably never get caught with it, but what is the point?
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The vast majority of NY Safe Act arrests come from someone doing something they shouldn’t be doing.
IE speeding, assaults, domestic disputes, MVA.
My old gun club and range was loaded with retired and active cops of all ranks, even Chiefs of Depts. No one cared whatsoever what you were shooting and if it were legal or not.
All AR’s, and other detachable box mag guns were supposed to be registered, though some 96% statewide were not
No one ever asked if that semi you were shooting was registered. They wouldn’t have lasted long in the club.
IE speeding, assaults, domestic disputes, MVA.
My old gun club and range was loaded with retired and active cops of all ranks, even Chiefs of Depts. No one cared whatsoever what you were shooting and if it were legal or not.
All AR’s, and other detachable box mag guns were supposed to be registered, though some 96% statewide were not
No one ever asked if that semi you were shooting was registered. They wouldn’t have lasted long in the club.
fredj338
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Most of the gun laws are made by people that do not shoot or even know anything about guns. They would be shocked to come to a revolver comp & watch guys reloading almost as fast as they can empty their fav old schools 6 shot. Tragic, but it is what the future holds for most states as the snow flake left keeps brain washing the youth.
Easiest way to control a bunch of people who politically oppose you is to make them in some way criminal..
And eliminate their 2A rights.
They didn't have a 2A and see what they think now - Venezuelans regret gun ban, '''a declaration of war against an unarmed population''' | Fox News
More confusion in NJ
The Bergen County Prosecutor issued a memo yesterday, providing "guidance" to all LEOs in his jurisdiction, I think he needs to review it - the key word is "POSSESS."
The newly effective statute (12/10/2018) does not provide for a Law Enforcement Officer exemption, in reality, they only way for them to remain legal is to leave the "high capacity" magazines at their work location.
If simple possession is illegal for any citizen anywhere, the police are not (currently) exempt when off duty.
The Bergen County Prosecutor issued a memo yesterday, providing "guidance" to all LEOs in his jurisdiction, I think he needs to review it - the key word is "POSSESS."
The newly effective statute (12/10/2018) does not provide for a Law Enforcement Officer exemption, in reality, they only way for them to remain legal is to leave the "high capacity" magazines at their work location.
If simple possession is illegal for any citizen anywhere, the police are not (currently) exempt when off duty.
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LoboGunLeather
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Similar to the situation when New York's "Safe Act" passed without an exemption for law enforcement personnel. New York quickly changed the law to provide such an exemption; I'm sure New Jersey will do something similar.
Let me get this straight - in NYS, and possibly NJ in the future, police can “posses” a 15 round mag because they are trained. The corollary is civilians, read non-LEO, cannot posses a 15 rnd mag because they are not trained. So, trained or untrained is the criteria for 5 additional rounds. Is that the basic difference? Would Gunsite or other such training qualify you to then “posses” a 15 round mag?
I know the answer already, just thought I’d raise the point.........
I know the answer already, just thought I’d raise the point.........
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I think the argument is not about training. Recall what Gov. Cuomo uttered during the arguments for passing the NY Safe Act: "YOU DON'T NEED MORE THAN 7 ROUNDs TO SHOOT A DEER".
The 'argument' basically boils down to: The subjects / peons are not permitted to use firearms for self defense. The only ones allowed to use firearms for defense are the government agents. The only legal use for guns for the subjects are target shooting and hunting. That's why they don't permit carry licenses in NY and NJ---because defense of self and others is assumed to be an illegitimate use of a gun.
Update: Email from the NJ FOP today:
"...S-2846 will be voted on in the Legislature on Monday, Dec. 17 and move immediately to the Governor's desk. We anticipate he will sign this bill into law.
The bill, once signed, will increase the rounds of ammunition that can be possessed and carried to 17 for active on and off duty officers and 15 rounds for retired officers."
Still they are using arbitrary numbers - what rationale explains the difference between "active" on and off duty and retired officers? What are these numbers based upon? One or two manufacturers' guns? Some makers that have 18 round magazines are not welcome in NJ I guess.
I'm not even going to touch the issue of qualified non LEO gunowners.
"...S-2846 will be voted on in the Legislature on Monday, Dec. 17 and move immediately to the Governor's desk. We anticipate he will sign this bill into law.
The bill, once signed, will increase the rounds of ammunition that can be possessed and carried to 17 for active on and off duty officers and 15 rounds for retired officers."
Still they are using arbitrary numbers - what rationale explains the difference between "active" on and off duty and retired officers? What are these numbers based upon? One or two manufacturers' guns? Some makers that have 18 round magazines are not welcome in NJ I guess.
I'm not even going to touch the issue of qualified non LEO gunowners.
J. R. WEEMS
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Of course this only came AFTER gun registration-- always does. AND of course they made it a felony. I fail to see how any state can pass a law that covers every state. Would like to see this challenged as well as the ban. A right lost is gone forever--
Might as well make spitting on the sidewalk a felony in NJ--
Of course this only came AFTER gun registration-- always does. AND of course they made it a felony. I fail to see how any state can pass a law that covers every state. Would like to see this challenged as well as the ban. A right lost is gone forever--
Might as well make spitting on the sidewalk a felony in NJ--
Carry licenses are permitted in NY, depending on where you live. Just about anywhere north and west of Rockland and Westchester counties was fairly easy though not instantaneous. As in everything there are exceptions. Could take from a month or two, up to a year or two.
The county I lived in, somewhat close to NYC but north of the two counties I mentioned, with about 100,000 residents, had over 13,000 carry permits issued. It is one of the most well armed counties in the state. It is probably higher today as applications have overwhelmed the issuing authorities.
NY is a well armed state, folks would be surprised if they knew. You may remember when some prisoners escaped jail a few years ago? The joke was the troopers better find the escapees before the residents. Only it was likely not a joke.
Jersey is a whole other story, I don’t think too many actual carry permits are issued, but I know little.
touchoneoff
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That's why I said I don't agree with such laws.
joeintexas
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Today a 10 round ban, what tomorrow, 5 round? Take a little here, take a little there....
squidsix
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Yup: death by a thousand cuts.
Well, my SKS......
Well, my SKS is still legal in NJ. But how long will a 1940s rifle with 10 round stripper clips be legal?
Well, my SKS is still legal in NJ. But how long will a 1940s rifle with 10 round stripper clips be legal?
sigp220.45
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The people of New Jersey elected the legislators who concocted these laws.
The judges who upheld this nonsense were either elected, or appointed by people who were elected.
The fix in the system is the higher courts, and ultimately the Supreme Court, all folks who were elected or appointed by people who were elected.
If the Supremes agree, its the law. Live with it, or move.
The judges who upheld this nonsense were either elected, or appointed by people who were elected.
The fix in the system is the higher courts, and ultimately the Supreme Court, all folks who were elected or appointed by people who were elected.
If the Supremes agree, its the law. Live with it, or move.
I would guess that the NJSP are issued G17's hence the 17 rounds allowed?
And if that is the case they would prefer that retired cops carry the G19 or similar?
We have a 7 round limit/appearance for centerfire semi auto's to comply with "sporting configuration" here, with an exception that AR 15 type users may have magazines that appear to hold up to 10 rounds but must not hold more than 7 (and 15 round magazines for .22 rifles). It really never made sense to me as another spare mag may take up some room/weight on the belt but gives the same magazine capacity.
