ATF decides Honey Badger AR Pistol is SBR

[delcrossv]

Q, maker of the "Honey Badger" AR style pistol as received a letter from the ATF saying that the Honey Badger is no longer considered a pistol but a SBR. Of note, this letter was issued WITHOUT following the procedures of the APA (Administrative Procedures Act)

Please see the link below. Since ATF is an Executive branch organization, it probably make the most sense if members call the White House directly and ask for the President to intervene.
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BREAKING: ATF Issues Cease And Desist For Honey Badger PistolThe Firearm Blog

 

[Telecaster]

Is it a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length?

Is it a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length?

 

[03hemi]

At this point they've ONLY called out "Q," the maker of the "Honey Badger" because it has their own version and proprietary pistol brace that is in question. They probably didn't get it approved through the ATF like the one's that are approved being used. We'll see, but you can't just stick your version of something on unless it's approved also.
EDIT: I've since learned that Q's brace was indeed approved by the **eff, it was/is supplied by SB Tactical and used on other AR pistols still in production. They were singled out by a rogue field agent apparently.

 

[Loyaljeeper]

I agree. The Honey Badger brave doesn’t even like like a usable brace or cheek weld. With that said, I really like my shockwave. I wouldn’t have a problem using it on a 16” barrel in place of a stock.

 

[SAFireman]

From reading the material provided, it appears that the ATF doesn't buy the pistol brace as such. If they re-submitted with an actual functioning brace, then maybe this would go away.

 

[delcrossv]

Is it a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length?

Is it a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length?

The question turns on "is it a rifle" or is it a pistol?

 

[Gamecock]

Time to amend the NFA. Remove restrictions on SBRs and "sawed off shotguns." As well as silencers. They are not unreasonable threats to society.

 

[BillBond]

The title of this thread is misleading.
The ATF is only going after one brand of AR pistol.

 

[bushmaster1313]

Yet another application of the adage: Be careful out there

 

[Telecaster]

A rifle is braced against the shoulder. Can these things be fired that way?

One could say a rifle can be fired other than from the shoulder (i.e. from the hip commando style), but a pistol AR can probably be fired in ways other than lashed to your arm...

It's all just pointless stupid arbitrary rules.

 

[delcrossv]

The title of this thread is misleading.
The ATF is only going after one brand of AR pistol.

So far. Lowest hanging fruit. If one thinks such a ruling if allowed to stand unopposed won't be extended to other braced pistols, he's in for a rude shock.

I too fail to see the efficacy of making SBRs scheduled items.

 

[Borderboss]

I think the problem with the Honey Badger is that the "brace" is adjustable for length. Every other brace I've seen is fixed. The Honey Badger brace may as well be an adjustable carbine stock. I'll bet a dollar that's how the ATF saw it.

I'm not worried about my AR pistol with my fixed brace.

 

[03hemi]

Nope, a lot of braces that have been ATF approved for years have always been collapsible. However, Q's doesn't even look like you could get an arm through it, it's a blatant schnut kicker on purpose.

 

[Dieseltech56]

There word through the grape vine a few months ago that the ATF was thinking about going after pistol braces. This is just the beginning.

 

[03hemi]

It doesn't matter in the end, people will just separate the upper and lowers and file a form one and re-classify it as an SBR if they do an all out reversal on the brace. This talk has been going around for several years.

 

[andy52]

There word through the grape vine a few months ago that the ATF was thinking about going after pistol braces. This is just the beginning.

Sure hope your wrong because my .300 blackout pistol isn't set up much different then the Honey Badger with the SB Tactical PDW brace.

 

[03hemi]

Sure hope your wrong because my .300 blackout pistol isn't set up much different then the Honey Badger with the SB Tactical PDW brace.

Completely different because 1) it was already approved and 2)you can actually get your arm through it. The Honey Badger was never approved first, not to mention, you can't get your arm through it either.

 

[Dieseltech56]

Congressman Matt Gaetz sounded the alarm on a secret brace ban back in June.

 

[delcrossv]

It doesn't matter in the end, people will just separate the upper and lowers and file a form one and re-classify it as an SBR if they do an all out reversal on the brace. This talk has been going around for several years.

and pay $200 for the "privilege"

I'm just waiting to see what infringement finally gets some folks screaming.

Ho Hum, it's just an automatic
Ho Hum, it' just a large magazine
Ho Hum, it's just a brace
.....
Ho Hum, it's just a semiauto
Ho Hum it's just a revolver

And then there'll be nothing left to ho hum about.

 

[03hemi]

Oh well, whatcha gonna do? I won't be giving up my braced pistols, so I guess I'll pay the tax stamp.