Low Recoil Buck & Slugs?

We use Fed Low Recoil 00 Buck with Flite Control wad for my wife's 12ga Rem 870 pump. Less recoil, tight pattersn, what's not to like for HD?

My Rem 1100 12ga like Rem Express 000 buck. It patterns better than Fed FC stuff.

My Ithaca 37 DSPS likes the Fed full power 00 Buck with Flite Control.

I like 00 and 000 for penetration over #4 and #1 buck. Were I not in town, I would load them all with slugs.
 
I came by an Akkar......

....aluminum and plastic pump shotgun (Turkey) It's light and takes a 3" shell. I got smart and wanted to try the full 3" load. Knocked me backwards clean out of the shooting booth. I REALLY like the lower power loads.:eek::confused::D
 
The only thing I would be concerned about with the low recoil loads would be whether or not they would cycle in my semi-auto if I had one. I'd be sure to test them before I would stock up on them.
 
Anyone who has much experience shooting full power buckshot or slug loads in a 12-gauge riot gun will certainly appreciate the reduction of recoil. 2-3/4" "magnum" loads (much less the 3" magnums) are somewhere between punishing (with a conventional stock pump 12-ga. riot gun) and brutal (with folding stock riot guns). I spent many years doing annual qualifications with the shotguns, and came to dread the punishment from 10 or 15 rounds of buckshot loads and 5 or 10 rounds of slugs. The folding stock riot guns are particularly brutal.

Now I'll sit back and watch as everyone tells me what a wimp I am.

Not a wimp at all. I load Hornady Low recoil 00buck in my 870 12ga. for home defense. The difference between it and standard shells is substantial, and my shoulder really appreciates it.

Magnum rounds are a WHOLE other matter! :eek: I don't shoot more than 5 in a session. It's just too punishing.
 
Last year, I shot several types of buckshot loads through various shotguns to check patterning.
The easiest loads to shoot were the Cabela's "Herters" brand rubber buckshot. Recoil was akin to a popgun.
"Rio" brand 20 gauge 2¾ #1 buckshot (9pellets), were very comfortable to shoot.
Cabela's "Herters" 12 gauge 2¼" "mini" #00 buckshot (6 pellets) were about equal in recoil as the above 20 gauge loads. In addition, these would function in my Beretta 1201 semi-auto.
12 gauge 2¾ loads were all pretty much the same regardless of brand.
In all guns I quickly learned to pull the buttstock TIGHT against my shoulder. It reduced the felt recoil quite a bit. It didn't allow the impulse of the buttstock to recoil through my flesh and pound my bones.
 
Fiocchi 12LE00BK can be had for under $6.00 per box of 10
I shoot it in two very solid vintage riot guns and the recoil is very manageable
Last time I bought, it was loaded in USA from overseas components

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I've never bought any low-recoil rounds of any kind.

But I load what I call "pumpkin balls" for practice with any of my 12 gauges. Well, not the Remington Model 11, they won't cycle the action, even with the friction ring set for target shells.

I load a one-ounce ball ahead of enough Titewad to get about 1200 fps. Very easy on the shoulder, and they'll still go through four 2x6's.
 
The only thing I would be concerned about with the low recoil loads would be whether or not they would cycle in my semi-auto if I had one. I'd be sure to test them before I would stock up on them.

If it is a gas-operated semi, no real need for low recoil loads.

Full power loads from my Rem 12ga 1100 have a subjective recoil less than most low-recoil loads out of my Rem 870 12ga guns. So I don't bother with low-recoil loads for it.
 
I have an 1100 and can vouch for that, but my HD gun is a short barreled 870.
 
Streichers Police Supply will do/did back order on the #1 Federal buck low recoil loads. May take awhile but they do deliver and they don't bill until they ship. Even if the recoil was the same, the improvement in pattern density would be worth it.

I do believe the 00 load is also available as a low recoil non-LE load. Look for the Flite Control label on the box as well as the low recoil.

I'm probably showing my age, I don't find shotgun shooting as much fun as I once did, even with a semi.
 
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Department issues & I use in my person shotguns Federal LE13300. It's "00" 8 pellet reduced recoil with flitecontrol. We pattern our guns out to 35 yards & this stuff is awesome! At 35yrds all 8 pellets are in the A zone. At 15yrds & in there's very little spread.
 
I just purchased and shot some Remington Ultimate Defense Managed Recoil #4 Buckshot. Shot it in this very lightweight Midland Backpack 12 Gauge Shotgun. The reduction in recoil was significant. It was also very accurate. Will be my round of choice in this Shotgun. Remington Express #4 Game Load had significantly more recoil.
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Department issues & I use in my person shotguns Federal LE13300. It's "00" 8 pellet reduced recoil with flitecontrol. We pattern our guns out to 35 yards & this stuff is awesome! At 35yrds all 8 pellets are in the A zone. At 15yrds & in there's very little spread.

Very interesting, thank you.

Do you know the reason why your department doesn’t use the 9 pellet reduced recoil Flite Control load? I’ve always wondered the purpose of the 8 pellet load.
 
So, in a HD situation, not police/military operation, how many shotgun rounds are likely to be dispensed? One or two? If you are scared enough to justify deadly force, would you notice the recoil difference?
TBH, I buy buckshot when it's on sale before hunting season. Currently my 12 gauge stash is Rio 4 buck.

Edit: I found an answer, 1.22
An Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power | Buckeye Firearms Association
 
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My handload 15 pellet 00 buckshot load for 10 bore kicks less at full power in my 10.5 pound BPS 10 than a regular or even reduced recoil load in a standard R870. Add three or four pounds to that shotgun and full power loads will start to seem much milder. I remember discussing this with a guy who owns a shotgun accessory manufacturing outfit on his other message board about these things, he was saying some departments buy hundreds of dollars worth of specialized gear to reduce recoil, I stand by the idea that all one would really have to do is put some cheap weight on the gun itself. Fowlers want light shotguns, fowling shotguns get used as police guns, next thing you know you have a gun whose weight is more suited for light clays shooting being used for full house stuff.

There's always the argument of weight savings always being a good thing, maybe you like your ultra light 4.5 pound AR-15 custom. What good is it to have a lightweight combat shotgun? Home defense and police don't carry a shotgun and an 80 pound ruck 20 miles a day where saving every ounce has a big benefit. If one is to use a shotgun for such purpose heavier is better every time, reliable auto loaders (if you trust them) help, and as mentioned before fixed stocks are simply superior once the weapon must be employed. Someone outta think about balancing dead weight in a shotgun stock, or creating custom heavier barrels with correct balancing on the cheap as a solution to make them better for the purpose. Even with improved hit ratios with lighter shotgun loads, recoil reduction is always a plus.

The case for reduced recoil is very real, I won't argue against that. The case can also be made for the patrol officer who has to shoot through automobile glass to stop an armed bank robber, as an example, where every last bit of "heat" he can put behind that slug or buckshot load might help him smash through that barrier and stop the attacker. All things considered, there are strong arguments for both loads, both of which will remain on the shelves for said reasons.
 
We were issued Federal or Remington reduced recoil Buck and Slugs. Much better that the full power loads. Qualifying with full power loads was no fun to be polite. The reduced recoil fodder turned the shotgun into a formidable weapon.

I remember shooting Full power loads from prone were especially unpleasant.
 
So, in a HD situation, not police/military operation, how many shotgun rounds are likely to be dispensed? One or two? If you are scared enough to justify deadly force, would you notice the recoil difference?
It matters during practice.

I once had a BPS pump that with heavy loads sometimes required a lot of force to work the action. It wasn't really locked up but took a lot more force than normal.

With my current 870 I have never had a problem shooting light target loads. But the first time I tried full power buckshot I short shucked the gun a couple of times. Nothing wrong with the gun, 100% an operator error.

In both these cases I would have never known there was a problem unless I was practicing with the same ammo I use for home defense. I also would not have noticed a problem if I just ran a single box of buckshot through them as a test.
 
I have purchased some of the Aguila mini shells. I was a bit upset about it - I specifically asked the guy if they would cycle in a semi-auto shotgun. Guy behind the counter said yes. I said I had a Benelli M4 for the purpose. He said no problem. THEY DO NOT CYCLE THROUGH A SEMI AUTO SHOTGUN. In fact, they don't even cycle through most pump shotguns without modification. I was a bit bummed.

I have two boxes. On of these days, I'll shoot them out of an over/under or a side by side...but I didn't buy them to shoot paper....what a waste.

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The Herter's 2.25" mini-buckshot shells hold 6xOO pellets. They will cycle in most guns that won't handle the shorter Aguila shells. A litle less punch on the front end, and a whole lot less recoil. Plus, you can stuff more shells in the magazine tube.
 
I don't want flite control wads for home defense. Any shot in my house is about 4 yards or less, and I WANT spread, not a column of pellets that stay in the wad cup for 15 yards.

Remington, Fiochi and some others make low recoil loads that don't use flite control wads.
 

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