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Old 11-04-2024, 11:10 AM
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Cast of a 50/50 mix clip on wheel-weights & lead .
NOE 360-160-WC PB (360432)
This is Lyman # 358432 - 160 gr. which is now discontinued
but NOE replicates it nicely !
Sized .358" and lubed with Lithi-Bee bullet lube .
Over 5.0 grains Unique - max. standard pressure load.
or 5.2 grains Unique - +P Loading .
These loads are accurate and what stays in my J and K frame revolvers .
The 358432 / 360432 wadcutter design is a winner in the accuracy dept and the flat WC hits hard ..! Try it sometimes ... You will Like it !
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I like them. A lot. But my favorites I have to cast myself.

The Ideal/Lyman 358432 is designed to seat out of the case. At 159gr as cast you can just load them the same as you do a SWC. I use 4.0gr of W231 which is the same thing I load in the SWC.

Then there's the Lee 410-208-WC, a .41 magnum full wadcutter which in the .41 Magnum you can load hotter than you'd probably care to shoot.

Here's the 358432 next to a standard 150gr SWC:


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This is an as cast 358432 with a .41 wadcutter on either side:


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No experience shooting people with Wad Cutters. But can tell you the Lyman Button Nose WC 242gr. 45 cal. cruzing along at 800fps with make a 150lb. deer sick to death. Lowers blood pressure quick. WCs make up 90% of my shooting in 38sp, 44sp, 45Colt & 45acp. I like the Button Nose but have DEWC & HBWC molds. I use Hornady HBWC in 52s.
I’ve loaded HBWCs backwards but never shot anything except groundhog for test, I think that’s over rated. Pouring HBWCs out of a single cavity mold is like trying to survive on black walnuts. Eventually you succumb
to fatigue trying to keep up.
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Many who use wadcutters for self defense do it for lower recoil. The Underwood and Buffalo Bore defeat that purpose.
Then use standard mid-range for practice and the Underwood and Buffalo bore when carrying the gun for self-defense That is what they are intended for! Velocity and energy are always a positive thing for that purpose.

Low recoil should not be a primary consideration for self-defense ammunition! Bullet energy, effectiveness and dependability should be!

(I hope someone else thought of this earlier in this thread!)
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Cast wadcutters are the epitome of the new Wide Flat Nose (WFN)
design movement in lead bullets ...
They don't get any wider or flatter than a Wadcutter .
In handguns ...cCast to a semi-hard 9 bhn ...They hit hard when loaded to standard / high velocity and are accurate at those velocities out to 25 yards . Just fine for self-defense .
My 38 Special stays loaded with Lyman / Noe #358432 wadcutters !
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