What's up with gun stores and ammo ?????

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Inquiring minds want to know !!!!!!!
At least locally here the gun stores are keeping their primo ammo in safe's in the back room and this ammo is only available to new gun buyers and not out on the viewable ammo racks....

Federal Premium Personal Defense HST 124gr JHP, Speer Gold Dot 124gr JHP, Sig Sauer V-crown JHP and Hornady Custom 124gr XTPS.....These are all I will use so I am left with ordering from Natchez or Brownells.

One gun store 9 miles in another town does display the Hornady Custom XTPS when available for walk in purchase none of the others do but they have shelves full but you can't buy it unless you purchase a new gun......Makes little to no sense to me........
 
Probably ammo they bought when prices were high. Prices have fallen and they don't want to take the hit selling at current prices. The "new gun" gag is that many people buying a gun for the first time have no clue on ammo prices, coupled with a degree of looking after the new customer.
 
Probably ammo they bought when prices were high. Prices have fallen and they don't want to take the hit selling at current prices. The "new gun" gag is that many people buying a gun for the first time have no clue on ammo prices, coupled with a degree of looking after the new customer.

I have purchased the last 5 handguns from one location, plus extra mag's for each purchase plus holsters...you would think they would look after existing customers also.....but not to be......probably need to find a new gun store.
 
Obviously I cannot speak for any specific store in any area, but a big reason some are probably keeping high-cost ammunition off the display shelves is THEFT. Some ammunition has become very expensive as we all know, and gun/sporting goods stores are no exception. When I worked in the business years ago it was not at all uncommon to find boxes of ammunition on the shelves that were short because someone had stolen a one or more rounds from them on the display shelves. This is probably far worse now! These stores are no more immune to shoplifters than Walmart or any others. Naturally the business wants to protect high value and difficult to find items.

The other reason they may restrict sales of particularly hard to find calibers to only people who are buying a gun is in many cases the person will not buy a gun if they cannot buy ammunition with it at the same time. Frustrating to you, but only sensible practice for the business!
 
Wow... that would tick me off big time.

I only buy at a local ammo supplier and pay cash. The ammo is always behind the counter at the range and gun shop. At the ammo store it's on the shelf to touch and hold and two or three salespeople are in the very small area watching everything. IF I buy a larger amount, they will go back in the back and bring the ammo out on a cart right to the register.

I don't buy at the gun shop or range.
 
Inquiring minds want to know !!!!!!!
At least locally here the gun stores are keeping their primo ammo in safe's in the back room and this ammo is only available to new gun buyers and not out on the viewable ammo racks....

Federal Premium Personal Defense HST 124gr JHP, Speer Gold Dot 124gr JHP, Sig Sauer V-crown JHP and Hornady Custom 124gr XTPS.....These are all I will use so I am left with ordering from Natchez or Brownells.

One gun store 9 miles in another town does display the Hornady Custom XTPS when available for walk in purchase none of the others do but they have shelves full but you can't buy it unless you purchase a new gun......Makes little to no sense to me........
Do you have a GT Distributors Store in Your area local one was about fully stocked Saturday @ good pricing Including 50 Round Boxes of 9mm HST
 
Hoping to inject a little "insider" perspective on the ammo thing here...
Back at the start of the covid ammo shortage, I was running the gun department for a large independent sporting goods store. Among my duties were ordering, stocking, selling, managing inventory....basically running the entire department, including establishing sales policies.

I remember the day the ammo panic started, I was surprised , not only by the panic itself, but by how fast it happened. When customers hit the store and the panic-buying began, I jumped online to order from my distributor's inventory, and was shocked to see supplies drying up rapidly. By the end of the day, the nature of the business had undergone significant changes.

The realities of the business pretty much demanded some new policies. Without sales limits, we would have seen ammo being bought up in huge lots, going to hoarders who wanted as much for themselves as possible without concern for others who just wanted to do some shooting, and worse, to gun-show sellers who simply wanted to inflate prices to garner a quick profit. Further, as a practical business concern, it can be pretty darn difficult to sell a gun to someone, especially the large numbers of new first-time buyers that we saw, if you can't supply them with at least one or two boxes of ammo.

The policies that resulted from the new realities were, I thought, reasonable. First, I put in reserve 1-2 boxes of ammo for every gun in inventory. I did not conceal this fact from anybody, and for the most part my customers understood. Furthermore, any caliber/gauge/type that was in short supply had purchase limits placed on it, along with a total daily limit on all ammo. This was implemented, again, to preclude volume purchasing by resellers, who would otherwise buy anything they could lay hands on, even if they didn't own a gun for it.

Every day I searched for ammo, and every day policy specifics were reconsidered and tweaked to reflect current supplies. Every day, I answered to the best of my ability the same questions about "what's going on with ammo." Every day, I experienced the same frustration with my inability to help my customers to their complete satisfaction.

There are some dealers, I have no doubt, that scalped prices and did some nefarious things from a strict profit motive, and I imagine some of that is still going on. It is, at least a little bit, understandable; retail business is, at the end of the day, about making money. And to be perfectly honest, that was my long-term goal as well, but my approach was to earn my customer's business and loyalty by taking care of as many of them as possible, treating them fairly and honestly, with the hope that they would remember that if and when "things returned to normal." By the time I retired in '22 things had settled down quite a bit, and it seemed that my customers had, at least somewhat, decided I'd earned their business.

Well, that's my two cents on the subject. It seems like shortages are going to be a fact of life for the foreseeable future. If I'm trying to make a point here, I guess it's that the guy down at the gun store is trying to keep a business IN business. He has decisions to make to do that. Some of them might be frustrating, but he's probably plenty frustrated too.
 
Hoping to inject a little "insider" perspective on the ammo thing here...
Back at the start of the covid ammo shortage, I was running the gun department for a large independent sporting goods store. Among my duties were ordering, stocking, selling, managing inventory....basically running the entire department, including establishing sales policies.

I remember the day the ammo panic started, I was surprised , not only by the panic itself, but by how fast it happened. When customers hit the store and the panic-buying began, I jumped online to order from my distributor's inventory, and was shocked to see supplies drying up rapidly. By the end of the day, the nature of the business had undergone significant changes.

The realities of the business pretty much demanded some new policies. Without sales limits, we would have seen ammo being bought up in huge lots, going to hoarders who wanted as much for themselves as possible without concern for others who just wanted to do some shooting, and worse, to gun-show sellers who simply wanted to inflate prices to garner a quick profit. Further, as a practical business concern, it can be pretty darn difficult to sell a gun to someone, especially the large numbers of new first-time buyers that we saw, if you can't supply them with at least one or two boxes of ammo.

The policies that resulted from the new realities were, I thought, reasonable. First, I put in reserve 1-2 boxes of ammo for every gun in inventory. I did not conceal this fact from anybody, and for the most part my customers understood. Furthermore, any caliber/gauge/type that was in short supply had purchase limits placed on it, along with a total daily limit on all ammo. This was implemented, again, to preclude volume purchasing by resellers, who would otherwise buy anything they could lay hands on, even if they didn't own a gun for it.

Every day I searched for ammo, and every day policy specifics were reconsidered and tweaked to reflect current supplies. Every day, I answered to the best of my ability the same questions about "what's going on with ammo." Every day, I experienced the same frustration with my inability to help my customers to their complete satisfaction.

There are some dealers, I have no doubt, that scalped prices and did some nefarious things from a strict profit motive, and I imagine some of that is still going on. It is, at least a little bit, understandable; retail business is, at the end of the day, about making money. And to be perfectly honest, that was my long-term goal as well, but my approach was to earn my customer's business and loyalty by taking care of as many of them as possible, treating them fairly and honestly, with the hope that they would remember that if and when "things returned to normal." By the time I retired in '22 things had settled down quite a bit, and it seemed that my customers had, at least somewhat, decided I'd earned their business.

Well, that's my two cents on the subject. It seems like shortages are going to be a fact of life for the foreseeable future. If I'm trying to make a point here, I guess it's that the guy down at the gun store is trying to keep a business IN business. He has decisions to make to do that. Some of them might be frustrating, but he's probably plenty frustrated too.

well a question???? I know Federal is manufacturing HST 9mm JHP ammo....if the gun stores (as they claim) can't get any...who the hell is buying it all up??? Government?? Law enforcement? who??
 
The local Sportsman's Warehouse has moved the ammo behind the counter, mainly due to theft I think. I generally purchase my ammo online, and I suggest that as the best option to get what you want at a decent price.
 
In New York a customer cannot go to a shelf and take ammo. It must be removed from the shelves by the dealers and then one must go through a background check for any ammo purchase. Most stores in my area have the ammo under lock and key. Given that, however, the supplies are plentiful where I live.
 
The local Sportsman's Warehouse has moved the ammo behind the counter, mainly due to theft I think. I generally purchase my ammo online, and I suggest that as the best option to get what you want at a decent price.

Yeah that's what I am being forced to do.....Luckly Natchez has Federal HST JHP 9mm in stock....Brownell's is Out of Stock.....
With my luck somebody At FedEx will carry my package to their house!!!!!!!!!
 
well a question???? I know Federal is manufacturing HST 9mm JHP ammo....if the gun stores (as they claim) can't get any...who the hell is buying it all up??? Government?? Law enforcement? who??

I'm not sure what's going on with local gun stores, but Ammoseek is showing lots of availability on HST.
 
Hoping to inject a little "insider" perspective on the ammo thing here...
Back at the start of the covid ammo shortage, I was running the gun department for a large independent sporting goods store. Among my duties were ordering, stocking, selling, managing inventory....basically running the entire department, including establishing sales policies.

I remember the day the ammo panic started, I was surprised , not only by the panic itself, but by how fast it happened. When customers hit the store and the panic-buying began, I jumped online to order from my distributor's inventory, and was shocked to see supplies drying up rapidly. By the end of the day, the nature of the business had undergone significant changes.

The realities of the business pretty much demanded some new policies. Without sales limits, we would have seen ammo being bought up in huge lots, going to hoarders who wanted as much for themselves as possible without concern for others who just wanted to do some shooting, and worse, to gun-show sellers who simply wanted to inflate prices to garner a quick profit. Further, as a practical business concern, it can be pretty darn difficult to sell a gun to someone, especially the large numbers of new first-time buyers that we saw, if you can't supply them with at least one or two boxes of ammo.

The policies that resulted from the new realities were, I thought, reasonable. First, I put in reserve 1-2 boxes of ammo for every gun in inventory. I did not conceal this fact from anybody, and for the most part my customers understood. Furthermore, any caliber/gauge/type that was in short supply had purchase limits placed on it, along with a total daily limit on all ammo. This was implemented, again, to preclude volume purchasing by resellers, who would otherwise buy anything they could lay hands on, even if they didn't own a gun for it.

Every day I searched for ammo, and every day policy specifics were reconsidered and tweaked to reflect current supplies. Every day, I answered to the best of my ability the same questions about "what's going on with ammo." Every day, I experienced the same frustration with my inability to help my customers to their complete satisfaction.

There are some dealers, I have no doubt, that scalped prices and did some nefarious things from a strict profit motive, and I imagine some of that is still going on. It is, at least a little bit, understandable; retail business is, at the end of the day, about making money. And to be perfectly honest, that was my long-term goal as well, but my approach was to earn my customer's business and loyalty by taking care of as many of them as possible, treating them fairly and honestly, with the hope that they would remember that if and when "things returned to normal." By the time I retired in '22 things had settled down quite a bit, and it seemed that my customers had, at least somewhat, decided I'd earned their business.

Well, that's my two cents on the subject. It seems like shortages are going to be a fact of life for the foreseeable future. If I'm trying to make a point here, I guess it's that the guy down at the gun store is trying to keep a business IN business. He has decisions to make to do that. Some of them might be frustrating, but he's probably plenty frustrated too.

Well, that was then. I see no ammo shortages in the calibers I shoot at the moment. Prices are falling, but we will never see $8/50 of 9mm FMJ again. A whole slew of inflationary pressures preclude that outcome.

The theft angle was one I had not considered. If pilferage is rife in the OP's area, then it is what it is.
 
Inquiring minds want to know !!!!!!!
At least locally here the gun stores are keeping their primo ammo in safe's in the back room and this ammo is only available to new gun buyers and not out on the viewable ammo racks....

Federal Premium Personal Defense HST 124gr JHP, Speer Gold Dot 124gr JHP, Sig Sauer V-crown JHP and Hornady Custom 124gr XTPS.....These are all I will use so I am left with ordering from Natchez or Brownells.

One gun store 9 miles in another town does display the Hornady Custom XTPS when available for walk in purchase none of the others do but they have shelves full but you can't buy it unless you purchase a new gun......Makes little to no sense to me........

I have been away from bullet shooting for years. Just now heading back to it. If the listed loads above are this box of 20 @ 2.00 a round stuff, it would be OK with me if they hide it. I know to each his own, but I am just a plain Jane hardball/ SWC type guy:D
 
Federal Premium Personal Defense HST 124gr JHP, Speer Gold Dot 124gr JHP, Sig Sauer V-crown JHP and Hornady Custom 124gr XTPS.....These are all I will use so I am left with ordering from Natchez or Brownells.

Go to SG Ammo for 9mm HST. It's LE-packaged in 50 round boxes, not the 20 round "specialty" package. Price per round is far better than 20 rounders from Natchez or Brownells. If you spend $200, you get free shipping. Great company to deal with. Fast shipping, well packed and just some darn nice folks.
 
I Asked Them!

My LGS here in Winston had all the ammo put away and they a beautiful notebook for me to flip through. If I was interested in anything or if I only asked a question, they quickly brought it out and put it in my hands.
The owner was there so I asked why the change, and she only said it was insisted on by her insurance. I accepted that answer.

Why the rascal insurance company wanted that, I did not think to ask.
 
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