Open Carry In California

JayBird686 · Sep 12, 2011

I wanted to get your guys opinion on this video:

Oceanside open carry - YouTube

When I read the title of it being an open carry situation in California, I was expecting the officer to be over-zealous. I thought the officer was very good, he acknowledged the persons right to open carry. It seems the guy filming was being in-cooperative just to be in-cooperative.

vista461 · Sep 13, 2011

JayBird686 said:
It seems the guy filming was being in-cooperative just to be in-cooperative.

And THAT is my problem with the OC activists, intentionally provoking to get a negative response so they can complain about it.

I thought that officer was hilarious telling him to get a good shot of him on the video.

Didn't CA just lose OC?

Bob R · Sep 13, 2011

And THAT is my problem with the OC activists, intentionally provoking to get a negative response so they can complain about it.

How many OC activists do you know that have done this?

It may all be a moot point very soon. CA passed a bill banning unloaded OC. If Jerry Brown signs it I can see gun rights lawsuits from CA heading to the SCOTUS.

bob

blujax01 · Sep 13, 2011

Bob R said:
How many OC activists do you know that have done this?
bob

By definition, all of them:

From Merriam-Webster (dot) com:

Definition of ACTIVISM

: a doctrine or practice that emphasizes direct vigorous action especially in support of or opposition to one side of a controversial issue.

Activists act deliberately and specifically in order to provoke a response.

oldman45 · Sep 13, 2011

I know a lot of people that OC. Many others are seen around the state. Never known one to be confrontational or look for trouble. They go around minding their own business and doing their daily routine.

I have seen the video before and it has been discussed on this site. It is still my opinion the kid was looking for trouble. Nobody I know has a cameraman following them around.

The real trouble makers, armed robbers, drive by shooters and such carry concealed.

Most convicted felons that cannot legally carry openly will carry concealed.

Bob R · Sep 13, 2011

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob R
How many OC activists do you know that have done this?
bob

By definition, all of them:

That's a pretty broad brush you are painting with there. I know quite a few people who OC and actually go to great lengths to be non-confrontational, myself included. I guess I am not an activist.

But, then again, being non-confrontational does not mean I am giving up my rights under the US Constitution. You can be firm, polite, and adamant about your rights without being confrontational.

bob

off road · Sep 13, 2011

These OC activists have done more harm than good! In rural areas, lots of us have quietly OC'd all our lives, and nobody noticed or even cared. Now, these infantile big city 'activists' have to walk into Starbucks and get the attention of the press...and the legislators, and now they have set us back 40 years.

As usual, a few idiots have ruined it for the many!

The Big D · Sep 13, 2011

This very video/incident was beaten (dissected?) like a dead horse a while back.

Dude was trying for a confrontation; sadly, for him, the LEO was very professional. As oldman45 notes, who is followed around by a cameraman?

Be safe.

PS:

Carrying an unloaded gun is just plain stupid.

hatt · Sep 13, 2011

blujax01 said:
By definition, all of them:

From Merriam-Webster (dot) com:

Definition of ACTIVISM

: a doctrine or practice that emphasizes direct vigorous action especially in support of or opposition to one side of a controversial issue.

Activists act deliberately and specifically in order to provoke a response.

If people exercising Rights, or even privileges, publicly bother you maybe you have the problem and not the "activist." You ever think of that?

off road · Sep 13, 2011

hatt said:
If people exercising Rights, or even privileges, publicly bother you maybe you have the problem and not the "activist." You ever think of that?

There is much vitrue in being crafty and intelligent...rather than an impulsive idiot!

Right now the leftists have a strangle hold on the legislature, and they can do anything they please without any of the checks and balances, that the founding fathers intended to build into the system. Better to work to reverse that at this time, than just piss them off and have them retaliate with draconian legislation. Right now, our only hope for any checks and balances....will be the courts.

Instead of acting like infantile spoiled childern, these folks could have done much more good quietly working in the background to change the makeup of the legislature. But....some folks just can't manage to curb their impulses, and direct their activities in a more constructive/less destructive manner.

ladder13 · Sep 13, 2011

The Big D said:
This very video/incident was beaten (dissected?) like a dead horse a while back.

Dude was trying for a confrontation; sadly, for him, the LEO was very professional. As oldman45 notes, who is followed around by a cameraman?

Be safe.

PS:

Carrying an unloaded gun is just plain stupid.

The LEO was totally professional, the idiot/activist was looking for trouble. Around here, the idiot/activist would have gotten his wish, and not from the police. We don't like stupid, in your face behaviour.
There's something called the legislative process in this country, people use it all the time to effect change. Police officers are people/citizens/friends/neighbors/relatives too.....why provoke them?
And yes, carrying an unloaded gun openly is not smart.

hatt · Sep 13, 2011

ladder13 said:
The LEO was totally professional, the idiot/activist was looking for trouble. Around here, the idiot/activist would have gotten his wish, and not from the police. We don't like stupid, in your face behaviour.
There's something called the legislative process in this country, people use it all the time to effect change. Police officers are people/citizens/friends/neighbors/relatives too.....why provoke them?

LOL, legally going about your business is so provoking. How dare someone follow the law.

blujax01 · Sep 13, 2011

Bob R said:
That's a pretty broad brush you are painting with there. I know quite a few people who OC and actually go to great lengths to be non-confrontational, myself included. I guess I am not an activist.

But, then again, being non-confrontational does not mean I am giving up my rights under the US Constitution. You can be firm, polite, and adamant about your rights without being confrontational.

bob

I am simply saying that anyone who calls himself an Activist cannot by definition say they are not being confrontational. It's what they do.

blujax01 · Sep 13, 2011

hatt said:
LOL, legally going about your business is so provoking. How dare someone follow the law.

Go ahead and sashay in front of the cameras pretending that you aren't begging for attention. Call it what you will. I guess "you showed me", huh!

hatt · Sep 13, 2011

blujax01 said:
Go ahead and sashay in front of the cameras pretending that you aren't begging for attention. Call it what you will. I guess "you showed me", huh!

Stay hidden, sending little checks to the NRA so they can herd you around.

hatt · Sep 13, 2011

Wow. One thing we can be certain of is that nutcases never think they're nutcases. Thinking that people following the law are crazy and the way to deal with them is to gun them down is alarming. You need help before we see you on TV, and I'm not playing.

Bob R · Sep 13, 2011

A few minutes later, there is a SWAT team surrounding the house because someone made a 'man with a gun' call to the police.

I don't know where you live....but unless it is the heart of liberal land I am forced to run the BS flag up on this!!!

This demonstrates how reactionary folks are to seeing anyone with a gun! All it is going to get you at least in in an urban area, is a lot of unwanted attention.

Once again, your location must play a big part, along with current local/state laws, in this statement. Here in urban Eastern WA a MWAG call gets the caller a few questions and then maybe, just maybe, a drive by. That is about as much attention you will get if you are carrying and not warranting alarm by waving the gun around or other idiotic practices. The mere MWAG is NOT a reason for a stop by the police anymore than walking down the street whistling.

even if it may be their constitutional right

Unbelievable, but that has already been covered.

bob

off road · Sep 13, 2011

hatt said:
Wow. One thing we can be certain of is that nutcases never think they're nutcases. Thinking that people following the law are crazy and the way to deal with them is to gun them down is alarming. You need help before we see you on TV, and I'm not playing.

When something goes down, anybody waving a gun around makes themselves suspect! And of course I was speaking in jest. The simple fact that you couldn't figure that one out, is in itself quite enlightening (but interestingly not atypical for the types that frequent forums).

And just for the record....I taped an interview for national TV just the other day, re a criminal prosecution. Won't air for a while though. Meanwhile, I highly recommend this book. Start it, and you won't be able to put it down: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/3/book-review-the-man-in-the-rockefeller-suit/

oldman45 · Sep 13, 2011

off road said:
I have a friend who is a LEO. He is not uniformed, so his neighbors do not know what his occupation is. This is highly intentional, as there are people out there who would no doubt like to track him down and kill him! Normally he wears a baggy shirt to conceal his gun, but the other night he got lazy and walked out for 30 seconds to get the mail with his gun showing. A few minutes later, there is a SWAT team surrounding the house because someone made a 'man with a gun' call. Unfortunately, his cover is now somewhat blown! I also have friends who are detectives who open carry, and they get a lot of startled looks until folks spot the badges.

This demonstrates how reactionary folks are to seeing anyone with a gun! All it is going to get you at least in in an urban area, is a lot of very unwanted attention.

And frankly, I'm not sure I personally want every idiot and a$$hole out there running around with a gun anyway, even if it may be their constitutional right. It just means that I will have to shoot them all too....along with the bad guys!

I suppose this type reaction would depend on what part of the country in which the actor is located.

Come to Louisiana and carry openly. Nobody will pay any attention unless you are in a court house, police station, voting precinct or other forbidden place. If a call comes in about a person with a gun, the call taker will ask what harm is being done and if none is being done, then they will say no laws are being broken.

ladder13 · Sep 13, 2011

blujax01 said:
Go ahead and sashay in front of the cameras pretending that you aren't begging for attention. Call it what you will. I guess "you showed me", huh!

Where's the DOUBLE like icon when you need it.

EVERYONE goes about their "legal business" with a videotape camera nowadays

Maybe "Jeremy" was really from Florida, and wished to see how OC works since he can't do so at home?

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