cz RAMI, decocker vs safety

beagleye · Dec 31, 2017

I am close to making a move on a cz RAMI. I don't have enough experience with semis to have an informed opinion about which option is better for my purpose, being concealed carry and plinking/practice. Not competition.

Please advise.

Thanks, Pete

kbm6893 · Dec 31, 2017

beagleye said:
I am close to making a move on a cz RAMI. I don't have enough experience with semis to have an informed opinion about which option is better for my purpose, being concealed carry and plinking/practice. Not competition.

Please advise.

Thanks, Pete

I like a safety AND a decocker, but since they don’t offer both I would choose decocker. Lowering a hammer on a live round by thumbing the hammer and squeezing the trigger is not something I would do anywhere but outside the range. I know there is a system in place to prevent that but I still would feel nervous manually lowering a hammer.

It depends on what you want. A safety to render the weapon inoperable it the safety is on, or being able to decock without manually lowering the hammer

bigwheelzip · Dec 31, 2017

For concealed carry, I've come to like best a no safety, decocker, with a short reset trigger pistol best, after carrying every other type of action first. I'm not saying it's ideal for everyone, but it suits me best (I EDC a CZ PCR).

The things I prefer is that I just point and shoot, without needing the intermediate action of disengaging a safety, or having the safety present at all to possibly interfere with firing.

I'm more at ease with the long and heavy first pull lessening the chance of an accidental discharge, as I holster out of view IWB at 4 o'clock.

The short reset and lighter trigger helps me with followup shots and eliminates short stroking for me, that I experience with long resets on DA guns.

A counterman at my gun range, who introduced me to his PCR, carries the Rami and loves it.

fdw · Dec 31, 2017

I'd go with a de-cocker, I have one on my CZ. The 7lb pull provides enough safety for me for the first shot.

TTSH · Dec 31, 2017

kbm6893 said:
It depends on what you want. A safety to render the weapon inoperable it the safety is on, or being able to decock without manually lowering the hammer

Exactly.

I have the safety version just because that was all I could get my hands on at the time I was hot for one... but the decocker version is considered by most concealed carriers to be the better choice between the two. If I ever have the option to trade up, I plan to do so.

ContinentalOp · Dec 31, 2017

I'm with bigwheelzip. For self defense/carry use, I'd prefer the decocker version.

To me, the only reason to get the safety version is because you want to carry cocked-and-locked, like a 1911 or Hi-Power (full mag, round in chamber, hammer cocked, safety engaged). I've owned 1911s and I can't recall ever failing to disengage the safety, but I've never had to do it with the stress of someone trying to kill me. Lots of people have successfully defended themselves with a cocked-and-locked gun so it is a viable option if that's what you prefer and are willing and able to train with it that way.

I prefer to be able to simply draw and pull the trigger if I need to shoot under stress. I also like the heavier, longer DA trigger for a bigger margin-for-error in terms of safe handling, at least for the first shot. Being a revolver guy, it works for me.

If possible, try both. But, in my opinion, for self defense/carry use, I think you'll be better served with the decocker version.

beagleye · Dec 31, 2017

Great answers. This is the best gun forum.

Arik · Dec 31, 2017

Decocker for me.

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Pisgah · Dec 31, 2017

Whichever you choose, learn to use it properly. Either will work perfectly fine.

Rpg · Dec 31, 2017

Depends on training and skill level.

You can carry either with the hammer down for a long, hard pull for the first shot with follow up shots a nice, crisp, short pull.

Of course, you have to shift grip a bit between first and subsequent shots.

Few shooters have the skill to get first and subsequent shots in the same place when starting hammer down, especially when shooting quickly.

I’m a big fan of cocked and locked carry: quicker, more accurate and quite safe. We don’t lower the hammer on a loaded round: we apply the safety.

In many ways, the hammer dropping safety is a feature designed for those with modest gun handling skills.

For me, the attraction of CZ’s is that they can be carried cocked and locked.

ContinentalOp · Dec 31, 2017

Rpg said:
Of course, you have to shift grip a bit between first and subsequent shots.

No, you don't. I've shot DA/SA guns, Sigs and Berettas, and have never had to shift my grip. I never had to change trigger finger placement, either.

iPac · Dec 31, 2017

I like the safety/decocker guns. My PX4 Storm compact is like that. I can remove the safety aspect so it is just a decocker if I wanted, but I don't see a reason to do so. The safety function doesn't affect shooting.

Whitwabit · Dec 31, 2017

Two of my carry weapons are models with a decocker .. Sig P229 Legion and Beretta PX4 - Type G: Single and double-action. Decocker. No manual safety.. so I like the models with out a safety but with the SA/DA trigger ..

My bug is Sig P238 in 38 ACP carried cocked and locked .. looks similar to a baby 1911 ..

ldryder · Dec 31, 2017

I don't like "cocked and locked" so I opted for the decocker model. Here's a discussion from the czfirearms.us forum.

Preferred For CC

Tanners Owner · Dec 31, 2017

I prefer decockers for my carry semi autos. Similar to a revolver, the DA first trigger pull makes it simple to operate safely.

All that said, agree w/ other posters who mentioned getting training with whatever gun you get. Regardless of gun, good training and practice will help tremendously with your ability and confidence with the gun.

Tanners Owner · Dec 31, 2017

SWWheelGun said:
I like the RAMI but do not have one. I wanted a stainless CZ 75 and the only one I found was a safety model. Personally I am fine with the lack of the decocker. My advice would be: if you are used to and/or prefer 1911 action a safety model would be best, if not, you may be better served by a decocker model.

Nice looking CZ. I have a few, and don’t believe they import a stainless decocker model- if they did, I’d be all over it.

whataboutbob · Dec 31, 2017

"decocker",Very happy with mine

beagleye · Dec 31, 2017

Y'all are great.

Tanners Owner · Dec 31, 2017

Beagleye- where are you located? If near me, will let you try my CZs to get a sense of the decocker

beagleye · Jan 1, 2018

Tanners Owner, your are a gentleman indeed. I think we may be at opposite ends. I am in NC. Thanks!

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