Thumb safety for semi autos for me.
MT PET PEEVE WITH THE CCW PISTOL CENTER BLADE TRIGGER SAFETY
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Just keep your finger off the trigger.
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Yes - once I actually handled, inspected and shot 100 rounds through a friends Sig P365 I could no longer tell myself the white lies about the virtues of the vulnerable 5 shot J Frame over that of then new Micro 9.
The P365 is 5 oz lighter than a J frame (empty), half the thickness, smaller, holds 10+1 onboard with standard flush mag vs 5 in the J frame, has excellent night sites, the J frame has crude fixed sights, more accurate, reloads much faster and IMHO the 9mm Federal HST 124 grain bullets are a step above the best 38 specials.
The P365 is the ONLY plastic pistol I own and I have no hankering to buy another plastic gun. IMHO, I purchase the P365 for only one purpose - to CCW/EDC. At 65 years old back then when I switched (71 now), I could no longer say I "enjoyed" shooting and practicing with a 2" J Frame and firing +P ammo which is exactly what I carried in it. I firmly believe in practicing with what I carry often and I found myself starting making excuses to not do so with my M60-7. I immensely enjoy shooting 200 rounds at a time with my P365 - never come home with sore hands.
So...... for me at this point in my life, I will take the plastic "abomination" over what was state of the art many decades ago. I held out as long as I could but there was just too many positives in changing and too many negatives staying with the old Chief's Special and lying to myself that I was well armed in today's world of crime! Believe me when I say I am a stubborn, slow to change person and it took actually shooting 100 rounds for me to realize what the real difference and benefits actually are.
If you don't want to eat your words...... NEVER shoot a P365, Hellcat, etc.
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Yeah, the nice police woman who shot the guy in the leg with his own CCW while trying to disarm him could have used that advice......
Don't have to shoot a hundred rounds. I own two 365's and a Glock 42. J frame wise I have one Airweight and two Air Lites. My mod 36 is long gone. My only LEOSA qualified carry is the 442 and 42.
Why? Because the 442 is something I carried for 52 years and it fits. The little 42 fits perfectly as well and hits where I point my arm. Probably 2,000 rounds through it. But tens of thousands in various J frames. Three decades of free bullets. Plus a armourer/ FA instructor assignment helps too. The two 365's and a P 210 are range toys.
As an aside the 365 fits my hand. The extra ammo and weight are not worth it to me. I carried hunkin' big gun's for to long. Small ,light and well concealed. Surprise is my friend
YMMV.
Why? Because the 442 is something I carried for 52 years and it fits. The little 42 fits perfectly as well and hits where I point my arm. Probably 2,000 rounds through it. But tens of thousands in various J frames. Three decades of free bullets. Plus a armourer/ FA instructor assignment helps too. The two 365's and a P 210 are range toys.
As an aside the 365 fits my hand. The extra ammo and weight are not worth it to me. I carried hunkin' big gun's for to long. Small ,light and well concealed. Surprise is my friend
YMMV.
I've never liked trigger-blade "safeties" - even on striker-fired guns.
I have no issue with striker-fired guns, as long as they require a long, deliberate, revolver-like PULL on the trigger to fire.
IMO, the trigger-blade safeties always seemed like a way to try to somehow make a striker-fired gun with a very light trigger safer.
I never understood WHY?
Why would I need a CC gun with a trigger pull so light that it needs an additional "safety" device?
I regularly carry a P365 or a P3AT - neither of which have a manual safety. BUT, they both have a longer heavier trigger pull, very similar to the trigger on a DA revolver. That's all the safety I feel I need.
I have no issue with striker-fired guns, as long as they require a long, deliberate, revolver-like PULL on the trigger to fire.
IMO, the trigger-blade safeties always seemed like a way to try to somehow make a striker-fired gun with a very light trigger safer.
I never understood WHY?
Why would I need a CC gun with a trigger pull so light that it needs an additional "safety" device?
I regularly carry a P365 or a P3AT - neither of which have a manual safety. BUT, they both have a longer heavier trigger pull, very similar to the trigger on a DA revolver. That's all the safety I feel I need.
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I did nothing to smooth out my P365's trigger - EXCEPT shoot over 8,000 rounds that is! LOL My P365 trigger is about 5.5 pounds and smooth as glass. I have shot newer ones (a little creepy and not exactly smooth) and the owners often ask me what I did to the trigger - Ha ha. I tell them, after 4-5k rounds yours should be like this as well.
Mine started out as a no manual safety model, but I did add one on after 3 years. Luckily the pistol came from the factory ready to install one. Just drop-in parts that don't cost much and no gun smithing required, except to notch out the frame to give the safety a space to fit in. Takes about 5 minutes to do that. If you are not experienced, just use a file and go slow - not hard to do. I feel much better with the manual safety than I did initially since the trigger has smoothed out so much.
The "dingus" that spurred discussion here doesn't sway me one way or another. Sure it's prevents trigger motion, but as said above it doesn't keep you or something else in the trigger guard from pulling the trigger like thumb or grip safeties do. Perhaps a false sense of security.
As for revolvers, I love 'em. I like their character. But I shoot autoloaders better. It's probably the lower bore axis. That my 365 is smaller and holds more rounds than any of my revolvers is indisputable. My 365 is one without a thumb safety. It's draw-pull-bang like a revolver. I like simple.
A friend is a former LEO and showed me an interesting device to reduce the chance of "glocking" a pistol on reholstering. It replaces the cover plate on the rear of the slide. The plate moves rearward in step with the trigger when it's pulled. When reholstering with your thumb on the back of the slide it won't let the trigger move. Basically, any force you put on the trigger is counteracted by your thumb on the cover plate. If your trigger finger (shudder), clothing or something else is in the trigger guard and you press the gun into your holster with your thumb, the trigger doesn't move. It's ingenious and hard to describe with words, but it became obvious when I tested it with an unloaded gun. Some might argue against any device inhibiting trigger motion, but that's what the dingus does, eh?
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As for revolvers, I love 'em. I like their character. But I shoot autoloaders better. It's probably the lower bore axis. That my 365 is smaller and holds more rounds than any of my revolvers is indisputable. My 365 is one without a thumb safety. It's draw-pull-bang like a revolver. I like simple.
A friend is a former LEO and showed me an interesting device to reduce the chance of "glocking" a pistol on reholstering. It replaces the cover plate on the rear of the slide. The plate moves rearward in step with the trigger when it's pulled. When reholstering with your thumb on the back of the slide it won't let the trigger move. Basically, any force you put on the trigger is counteracted by your thumb on the cover plate. If your trigger finger (shudder), clothing or something else is in the trigger guard and you press the gun into your holster with your thumb, the trigger doesn't move. It's ingenious and hard to describe with words, but it became obvious when I tested it with an unloaded gun. Some might argue against any device inhibiting trigger motion, but that's what the dingus does, eh?
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Seems you shouldn't need such a device to make a gun safe when holstering or performing any other function.
FWIW, when I holster my P365, I put my finger in the trigger guard - BEHIND the trigger. When my finger contacts the top edge of the holster, the trigger is already inside the holster and covered up. That's when I pull my finger out of the trigger guard. Needless to say, I pay very close attention to make 100% sure my finger is behind the trigger - not in front of it - before holstering.
Some folks might be less bothered by it if they knew it isn't a safety; it's a drop safe device. The dingus was put there specifically and only to prevent fire if the gun's dropped muzzle up.
Despite many errant opinions and assertions, it isn't nor was ever intended to be a "safety" in the way a thumb or grip safety is a "safety".
Glocks aren't for everyone, but they're great for purpose -- especially if you understand them.
Despite many errant opinions and assertions, it isn't nor was ever intended to be a "safety" in the way a thumb or grip safety is a "safety".
Glocks aren't for everyone, but they're great for purpose -- especially if you understand them.
I often question things that sometimes don't get much air time or maybe thought about often. Maybe because of my OCD, maybe because I always notice details and maybe just because most people go through life not being bothered by the same things that annoy me.
The center blade safeties on many of the new breed of carry gun triggers just bother's me - one of the reasons is because they tend to pinch my finger when pulling the trigger sometimes, maybe because they can potentially get jammed by a piece of debris but most of all because to me they are essentially a useless piece on the trigger that gives you nothing more than a false sense of safety and security!!
If you inadvertently have your finger on the trigger while reholstering, unholstering , etc. and the gun gets caught or pushed forward it will STILL go bang! As a drop safety I see no real reason for it as all the modern designs have drop safeties built into them. If the trigger gets caught on something and gets a strong enough force applied to pull it, it will pull the center blade safety anyway. So the REAL point of it is...... ???? More than likely, just a feel - good, do - nothing lawyer devise for law suits or anti law suits.
And...... that is one of the major reasons I so much prefer the Sig P365 over many of the clones by other manufacturer's - it has NO center trigger blade. It has an internal drop safety and they offer the P365 with and without a manual safety. I carried mine for 3 years without the manual safety feature and then added one - they came ready for installation even in the beginning of production. To me that is a REAL safety that is efficient, easy to operate and actually makes the pistol quite safe with a round in the tube.
So again, I am more than likely one of the few here whom it bothers, but just figured if I'd post it and see if there are any other people who dislike it as well.
Agree, I was always taught that they were supposed to go “bang” when the trigger was pulled, so I don’t get the “safety in the trigger” thing. I wouldn’t carry a 1911 cocked and unlock either
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You can blame trigger snobs, especially those writing for the NRA, for the push for lighter triggers. I lost count of the number of gun tests I read where the author presents a boilerplate diatribe on their preference for the 1911 single action trigger. They then go on to whine about the tested gun because it does not have a trigger like a 1911. I don't care about your decades long nurtured prejudices, just tell me what the trigger is like and measure the pull weight. After that STHU.
The "bang and clang" speed freaks on Youtube also bear some culpability. It's harder to go fast and be accurate with a light gun if the trigger is getting a little long and heavy. Bubba goes down to the gun store and buys a regular Glock or clone after viewing a video of fast shooting and is shocked to find that there is practice with lots of expensive ammo needed to come anywhere near what he saw in the video. Bubba doesn't like that, so he wants a lighter trigger.
OK, so the trigger pull is so light that if the gun didn't have the dingus and was dropped muzzle up, the impact could cause the trigger to move rearward enough for the gun to go off.
So, they added the dingus to prevent that happening. Makes sense... I guess...
I still don't own or carry or even WANT a gun with that kind of feather-light trigger pull.
JMO and as always, YMMV...
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Everybody's gots their opinions....
I've heard the following about returning the pistol to the holster;
"The classic SIG's are dangerous 'cause sumbody might fergit to use the de-cocker and cram the pistol in their holster and trip the cocked action."
Or
"I won't own a pistol that ain't got no de-cocker 'cause they'll fire the thing off trying to drop the hammer."
Folks argue about the trigger blade. They argue about everything.
In my professional career I've seen an unintended discharge in a Glock model 22, a Smith model 64 and a Remington 870 shotgun. All three officers thought their gun was unloaded.
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I've heard the following about returning the pistol to the holster;
"The classic SIG's are dangerous 'cause sumbody might fergit to use the de-cocker and cram the pistol in their holster and trip the cocked action."
Or
"I won't own a pistol that ain't got no de-cocker 'cause they'll fire the thing off trying to drop the hammer."
Folks argue about the trigger blade. They argue about everything.
In my professional career I've seen an unintended discharge in a Glock model 22, a Smith model 64 and a Remington 870 shotgun. All three officers thought their gun was unloaded.
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My only discipline is SD point-n-shoot so I like my triggers like I like my streaky bacon; with some resistance ("Tooth" if you will).
I need to make a concerted effort to depress the trigger.
None of this "hair" stuff for me.
I need to make a concerted effort to depress the trigger.
None of this "hair" stuff for me.
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I've always liked it because all you guys liked it.
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I have my share of the plastic stuff. I've not thought of that blade as a drop safe device. There is a firing pin block in nearly all the striker stuff that performs that function. True, they are actuated by the trigger in a normal pull, but if the gun is being dropped I'd presume one's finger is nowhere on the trigger.
I may be not visualizing it all that well, but I equate that blade as being the same in function as a thumb safety. Meaning one has to disengage it before the gun can be made to go bang. JMO but putting it attached to the trigger - major league convenient for quick disengagement, but certainly requires a bit more awareness.
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