MT PET PEEVE WITH THE CCW PISTOL CENTER BLADE TRIGGER SAFETY
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Some folks might be less bothered by it if they knew it isn't a safety; it's a drop safe device. The dingus was put there specifically and only to prevent fire if the gun's dropped muzzle up.
Despite many errant opinions and assertions, it isn't nor was ever intended to be a "safety" in the way a thumb or grip safety is a "safety".
Glocks aren't for everyone, but they're great for purpose -- especially if you understand them.
Despite many errant opinions and assertions, it isn't nor was ever intended to be a "safety" in the way a thumb or grip safety is a "safety".
Glocks aren't for everyone, but they're great for purpose -- especially if you understand them.
I often question things that sometimes don't get much air time or maybe thought about often. Maybe because of my OCD, maybe because I always notice details and maybe just because most people go through life not being bothered by the same things that annoy me.
The center blade safeties on many of the new breed of carry gun triggers just bother's me - one of the reasons is because they tend to pinch my finger when pulling the trigger sometimes, maybe because they can potentially get jammed by a piece of debris but most of all because to me they are essentially a useless piece on the trigger that gives you nothing more than a false sense of safety and security!!
If you inadvertently have your finger on the trigger while reholstering, unholstering , etc. and the gun gets caught or pushed forward it will STILL go bang! As a drop safety I see no real reason for it as all the modern designs have drop safeties built into them. If the trigger gets caught on something and gets a strong enough force applied to pull it, it will pull the center blade safety anyway. So the REAL point of it is...... ???? More than likely, just a feel - good, do - nothing lawyer devise for law suits or anti law suits.
And...... that is one of the major reasons I so much prefer the Sig P365 over many of the clones by other manufacturer's - it has NO center trigger blade. It has an internal drop safety and they offer the P365 with and without a manual safety. I carried mine for 3 years without the manual safety feature and then added one - they came ready for installation even in the beginning of production. To me that is a REAL safety that is efficient, easy to operate and actually makes the pistol quite safe with a round in the tube.
So again, I am more than likely one of the few here whom it bothers, but just figured if I'd post it and see if there are any other people who dislike it as well.
Agree, I was always taught that they were supposed to go "bang" when the trigger was pulled, so I don't get the "safety in the trigger" thing. I wouldn't carry a 1911 cocked and unlock either
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You can blame trigger snobs, especially those writing for the NRA, for the push for lighter triggers. I lost count of the number of gun tests I read where the author presents a boilerplate diatribe on their preference for the 1911 single action trigger. They then go on to whine about the tested gun because it does not have a trigger like a 1911. I don't care about your decades long nurtured prejudices, just tell me what the trigger is like and measure the pull weight. After that STHU.
The "bang and clang" speed freaks on Youtube also bear some culpability. It's harder to go fast and be accurate with a light gun if the trigger is getting a little long and heavy. Bubba goes down to the gun store and buys a regular Glock or clone after viewing a video of fast shooting and is shocked to find that there is practice with lots of expensive ammo needed to come anywhere near what he saw in the video. Bubba doesn't like that, so he wants a lighter trigger.
OK, so the trigger pull is so light that if the gun didn't have the dingus and was dropped muzzle up, the impact could cause the trigger to move rearward enough for the gun to go off.
So, they added the dingus to prevent that happening. Makes sense... I guess...
I still don't own or carry or even WANT a gun with that kind of feather-light trigger pull.
JMO and as always, YMMV...
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Everybody's gots their opinions....
I've heard the following about returning the pistol to the holster;
"The classic SIG's are dangerous 'cause sumbody might fergit to use the de-cocker and cram the pistol in their holster and trip the cocked action."
Or
"I won't own a pistol that ain't got no de-cocker 'cause they'll fire the thing off trying to drop the hammer."
Folks argue about the trigger blade. They argue about everything.
In my professional career I've seen an unintended discharge in a Glock model 22, a Smith model 64 and a Remington 870 shotgun. All three officers thought their gun was unloaded.
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I've heard the following about returning the pistol to the holster;
"The classic SIG's are dangerous 'cause sumbody might fergit to use the de-cocker and cram the pistol in their holster and trip the cocked action."
Or
"I won't own a pistol that ain't got no de-cocker 'cause they'll fire the thing off trying to drop the hammer."
Folks argue about the trigger blade. They argue about everything.
In my professional career I've seen an unintended discharge in a Glock model 22, a Smith model 64 and a Remington 870 shotgun. All three officers thought their gun was unloaded.
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My only discipline is SD point-n-shoot so I like my triggers like I like my streaky bacon; with some resistance ("Tooth" if you will).
I need to make a concerted effort to depress the trigger.
None of this "hair" stuff for me.
I need to make a concerted effort to depress the trigger.
None of this "hair" stuff for me.
max503
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I've always liked it because all you guys liked it.
dsf
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I have my share of the plastic stuff. I've not thought of that blade as a drop safe device. There is a firing pin block in nearly all the striker stuff that performs that function. True, they are actuated by the trigger in a normal pull, but if the gun is being dropped I'd presume one's finger is nowhere on the trigger.
I may be not visualizing it all that well, but I equate that blade as being the same in function as a thumb safety. Meaning one has to disengage it before the gun can be made to go bang. JMO but putting it attached to the trigger - major league convenient for quick disengagement, but certainly requires a bit more awareness.
That's fine, but I'm not "thinking of" or "visualizing" anything when posting that the dingus is a drop-safe device. I'm referring to the published facts of the design as relayed by the designers.
Every internal safety on a Glock is overcome by a pull of the trigger. In testing they discovered that inertia would overcome the trigger -- and thus overcome the internal safeties -- in muzzle up drops.
Hence, the dingus. A drop-safe device by design.
a.k.a. a violation of RULE # 1
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^^^Ditto this^^^
Since the most effective safety is between the operator's ears, I prefer guns that require a DELIBERATE effort to pull the trigger. Even if that makes it more difficult to put the rounds on-target. PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE...
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Super Trucker
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Why nit just replace the trigger?
Timney makes one hinged in the middle so it doesn't have the dingus in the center.
I've seen people glue the stock trigger so it doesn't move (because their to cheap to fix it correctly).
I've seen one other hinged trigger at a competition but can't recall the brand.
Timney makes one hinged in the middle so it doesn't have the dingus in the center.
I've seen people glue the stock trigger so it doesn't move (because their to cheap to fix it correctly).
I've seen one other hinged trigger at a competition but can't recall the brand.
"Hinged in the middle" sounds like a description of the stock trigger on the S&W SD9VE and SD40VE pistols.
As I recall, at the time they were introduced, almost everyone HATED the "hinged in the middle" design.
Or maybe I am misunderstanding what you're describing?
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Well...... all I can say is I do get pinched when shooting someones Glock with the dingus. Because it is just my nature to shoot accurately, when someone hands me their pistol to try I squeeze the trigger in true competition style - slowly and smoothly, especially when shooting a pistol that I have not shot before and don't know what to expect. When I do that, it dings my finger. What can I say?
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I haven't shot Glocks or other guns with the trigger tab much, but they didn't bother me. Our local instructor noted (when I didn't) that I was "bouncing" my index finger off the trigger with each shot; when I keep light pressure on, the tab stays depressed.
Much more time with the M & P pistols and the hinged trigger, which don't bother me either. Not quite a K or N frame revolver trigger but doesn't need to be.
Much more time with the M & P pistols and the hinged trigger, which don't bother me either. Not quite a K or N frame revolver trigger but doesn't need to be.
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Oh, yes, I agree! I will not own a handgun with one of those tricky triggers.
Iver Johnson made a break top revolver with a "safety trigger" around 1900+/-. Glock didn't invent it although theirs might be better than the original.
Still, no thank you, I will continue to completely avoid owning such a handgun.
Oh, yes, I agree! I will not own a handgun with one of those tricky triggers.
Iver Johnson made a break top revolver with a "safety trigger" around 1900+/-. Glock didn't invent it although theirs might be better than the original.
Still, no thank you, I will continue to completely avoid owning such a handgun.
Glue the dingus in the depressed position? Now there's a BAD idea...
I shoot a G42 pretty regularly and the dingus never bothered me. But the Ruger LCP max has a horrendous trigger/ dingus. I've read reviews on line on how wonderful the trigger is. I think these guys are getting some kickback for their reviews.
BTW, I took one of my wife's emery boards and sanded down the trigger/dingus and it was much improved. But the pull was still, ugh. (YTMV) Your Tolerance May Vary.
I will say it groups quite well, which is the only reason I've kept it.
BTW, I took one of my wife's emery boards and sanded down the trigger/dingus and it was much improved. But the pull was still, ugh. (YTMV) Your Tolerance May Vary.
I will say it groups quite well, which is the only reason I've kept it.
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To date I've shot 5 different Ruger LCP Max pistols. While I do not own any, I have actually shot 2 of them regularly as they are owned by friends that I shoot with every week. My experience has been that some are really terrible, some are pretty good and most are mediocre. One of the two I shoot regularly has an outstanding trigger for a tiny pocket pistol, (must be a mistake - LOL).
It has no creep, is very smooth and the pull itself is about 5.25 pounds. My other regular shooting buddy has one (purchased at the same time ironically) and his feels like he dropped it in the sand. Creepy, stiff and not predictable at all. So I guess when it comes to the LCP Max trigger, it's the luck of the draw. BTW, friend #1 has shot well over 4,000 rounds while friend #2 has barely broken 500. That might be an important factor!BTW, my Sig P365 has an absolutely delightful trigger! Very smooth and fluid with zero creep. All it took was 8,000 rounds through it. Most other P365's that I have shot do not have a trigger like the one I own but they don't have the round count mine does. People who I let shoot mine often ask me what I did to the trigger - ha!
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Same here. Perfect EDC for me is my S&W Centennials, best design ever for CCW IMHO. If five rounds aren't enough then carry two of them (& I do sometimes).
The trigger "safety" worked pretty well in this case. In a kydex holster no less.
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Yendor357
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The Glock Propaganda/spin states that the trigger is supposed to cause some discomfort. The reason is to signal to the cop carrying the thing it's about to go bang.
Whether that's true or not, I have my suspensions. They had a spin for every complaint about a Glock. I wish I could remember them all.
If you want to remove any remaining doubt that you're a 'tard, use the term "booger hook".
Whether that's true or not, I have my suspensions. They had a spin for every complaint about a Glock. I wish I could remember them all.
If you want to remove any remaining doubt that you're a 'tard, use the term "booger hook".
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max503
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Sorry. I felt no compassion. You don't point guns at your wee-wee.
What was that woman fixin' to do with the duct tape?
You can live without a wee wee, it's the femoral artery that can be fatal. That said, I carry AIWB, but it's a revolver. A re-holster involves removing the holster and putting the revolver back in, then placing it back in the waist band. It's not a big deal since I no longer have a duty to apprehend. AIWB was the only way for me to carry when making in car drug purchases during UC work on the job. It saved my life.
Glue the dingus in the depressed position? Now there's a BAD idea...
Same as pinning the grip safety on a 1911. Also a BAD idea, IMHO . . . . But, it didn't stop some folks from doing it!
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In reality, the whole "modern" striker action is an answer in search of a problem. Because fanboi kool-aid levels are so high, most new shooters don't even get to experience a real quality semiauto pistol, like the Sig P226, Beretta 92, CZ-75 or S&W 3rd Gen. Instead, they are shuffled to the latest and greatest polystriker. At the range, I have offered my 3914DAO to several new shooters trying to wrangle a pocket- poly special. Every one of them preferred it over their wundergun and have been shocked when I tell them it's been discontinued and supposedly "obsolete" platform.
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Ergonomically the dingus doesn't bother me a bit. But I agree it does next to nothing for safety.
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With all due respect to your opinion, I feel quite the opposite about the various DA/SA autos you mentioned. I have "compact" hands with shorter fingers, and have never been able to master the DA initial trigger pull on pistols like this, and I've owned and tried with an embarrassing variety (Beretta 92, S&W 645, Beretta 8045, and others), stubbornly refusing to grasp the reality of the situation. If I alter my grip sufficiently to fire the gun DA, I'm almost holding the side of the gripframe, and subsequent SA shots are just awful to execute without regripping the gun. For defensive purposes, my preferences run toward SA autos (1911s with short triggers installed), compact striker-fired autos, and J-frame revolvers. I can do okay with RB K-frames with magna stocks, but at the end of the day, the guns I shoot best are a Sig P365 and Kahr K9.
