MT PET PEEVE WITH THE CCW PISTOL CENTER BLADE TRIGGER SAFETY

[Hapworth]

I have my share of the plastic stuff. I've not thought of that blade as a drop safe device. There is a firing pin block in nearly all the striker stuff that performs that function. True, they are actuated by the trigger in a normal pull, but if the gun is being dropped I'd presume one's finger is nowhere on the trigger.

I may be not visualizing it all that well, but I equate that blade as being the same in function as a thumb safety. Meaning one has to disengage it before the gun can be made to go bang. JMO but putting it attached to the trigger - major league convenient for quick disengagement, but certainly requires a bit more awareness.

That's fine, but I'm not "thinking of" or "visualizing" anything when posting that the dingus is a drop-safe device. I'm referring to the published facts of the design as relayed by the designers.

Every internal safety on a Glock is overcome by a pull of the trigger. In testing they discovered that inertia would overcome the trigger -- and thus overcome the internal safeties -- in muzzle up drops.

Hence, the dingus. A drop-safe device by design.

 

[BC38]

...In my professional career I've seen an unintended discharge in a Glock model 22, a Smith model 64 and a Remington 870 shotgun. All three officers thought their gun was unloaded.

a.k.a. a violation of RULE # 1

 

[BC38]

My only discipline is SD point-n-shoot so I like my triggers like I like my streaky bacon; with some resistance ("Tooth" if you will).

I need to make a concerted effort to depress the trigger.

None of this "hair" stuff for me.

^^^Ditto this^^^
Since the most effective safety is between the operator's ears, I prefer guns that require a DELIBERATE effort to pull the trigger. Even if that makes it more difficult to put the rounds on-target. PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE...

 

[Super Trucker]

Why nit just replace the trigger?
Timney makes one hinged in the middle so it doesn't have the dingus in the center.
I've seen people glue the stock trigger so it doesn't move (because their to cheap to fix it correctly).
I've seen one other hinged trigger at a competition but can't recall the brand.

 

[BC38]

Why nit just replace the trigger?
Timney makes one hinged in the middle so it doesn't have the dingus in the center.
I've seen people glue the stock trigger so it doesn't move (because their to cheap to fix it correctly).
I've seen one other hinged trigger at a competition but can't recall the brand.

"Hinged in the middle" sounds like a description of the stock trigger on the S&W SD9VE and SD40VE pistols.
As I recall, at the time they were introduced, almost everyone HATED the "hinged in the middle" design.
Or maybe I am misunderstanding what you're describing?

 

[chief38]

I still don't get how some people get pinched by the trigger dingus.

The guys at Grand Power in Slovakia have an interesting take on the trigger safety. The safety dingus is sprung quite heavily compared to a Glock or M&P, but the actual trigger break is very light and crisp. Sounds like it shouldn't work, but it does.

Well...... all I can say is I do get pinched when shooting someones Glock with the dingus. Because it is just my nature to shoot accurately, when someone hands me their pistol to try I squeeze the trigger in true competition style - slowly and smoothly, especially when shooting a pistol that I have not shot before and don't know what to expect. When I do that, it dings my finger. What can I say?

 

[murphydog]

I haven't shot Glocks or other guns with the trigger tab much, but they didn't bother me. Our local instructor noted (when I didn't) that I was "bouncing" my index finger off the trigger with each shot; when I keep light pressure on, the tab stays depressed.

Much more time with the M & P pistols and the hinged trigger, which don't bother me either. Not quite a K or N frame revolver trigger but doesn't need to be.

 

[ISCS Yoda]

Old technology

So again, I am more than likely one of the few here whom it bothers, but just figured if I'd post it and see if there are any other people who dislike it as well.

Oh, yes, I agree! I will not own a handgun with one of those tricky triggers.

Iver Johnson made a break top revolver with a "safety trigger" around 1900+/-. Glock didn't invent it although theirs might be better than the original.

Still, no thank you, I will continue to completely avoid owning such a handgun.

 

[BC38]

Why nit just replace the trigger?
Timney makes one hinged in the middle so it doesn't have the dingus in the center.
I've seen people glue the stock trigger so it doesn't move (because their to cheap to fix it correctly).
I've seen one other hinged trigger at a competition but can't recall the brand.

Glue the dingus in the depressed position? Now there's a BAD idea...

 

[Sgt. Buzzard]

I shoot a G42 pretty regularly and the dingus never bothered me. But the Ruger LCP max has a horrendous trigger/ dingus. I've read reviews on line on how wonderful the trigger is. I think these guys are getting some kickback for their reviews.

BTW, I took one of my wife's emery boards and sanded down the trigger/dingus and it was much improved. But the pull was still, ugh. (YTMV) Your Tolerance May Vary.

I will say it groups quite well, which is the only reason I've kept it.

 

[chief38]

I shoot a G42 pretty regularly and the dingus never bothered me. But the Ruger LCP max has a horrendous trigger/ dingus. I've read reviews on line on how wonderful the trigger is. I think these guys are getting some kickback for their reviews.

BTW, I took one of my wife's emery boards and sanded down the trigger/dingus and it was much improved. But the pull was still, ugh. (YTMV) Your Tolerance May Vary.

I will say it groups quite well, which is the only reason I've kept it.

To date I've shot 5 different Ruger LCP Max pistols. While I do not own any, I have actually shot 2 of them regularly as they are owned by friends that I shoot with every week. My experience has been that some are really terrible, some are pretty good and most are mediocre. One of the two I shoot regularly has an outstanding trigger for a tiny pocket pistol, (must be a mistake - LOL). It has no creep, is very smooth and the pull itself is about 5.25 pounds. My other regular shooting buddy has one (purchased at the same time ironically) and his feels like he dropped it in the sand. Creepy, stiff and not predictable at all. So I guess when it comes to the LCP Max trigger, it's the luck of the draw. BTW, friend #1 has shot well over 4,000 rounds while friend #2 has barely broken 500. That might be an important factor!

BTW, my Sig P365 has an absolutely delightful trigger! Very smooth and fluid with zero creep. All it took was 8,000 rounds through it. Most other P365's that I have shot do not have a trigger like the one I own but they don't have the round count mine does. People who I let shoot mine often ask me what I did to the trigger - ha!

 

[S-W4EVER]

Pretty much why I carry a revolver.
My Glocks are range toys and sock drawer guns.

Same here. Perfect EDC for me is my S&W Centennials, best design ever for CCW IMHO. If five rounds aren’t enough then carry two of them (& I do sometimes).

 

[Nomadmax]

The trigger "safety" worked pretty well in this case. In a kydex holster no less.

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[Yendor357]

The Glock Propaganda/spin states that the trigger is supposed to cause some discomfort. The reason is to signal to the cop carrying the thing it’s about to go bang.

Whether that’s true or not, I have my suspensions. They had a spin for every complaint about a Glock. I wish I could remember them all.

If you want to remove any remaining doubt that you’re a ‘tard, use the term “booger hook”.

 

[max503]

The trigger "safety" worked pretty well in this case. In a kydex holster no less.

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Sorry. I felt no compassion. You don't point guns at your wee-wee.
What was that woman fixin' to do with the duct tape?

 

[Nomadmax]

Sorry. I felt no compassion. You don't point guns at your wee-wee.
What was that woman fixin' to do with the duct tape?

You can live without a wee wee, it's the femoral artery that can be fatal. That said, I carry AIWB, but it's a revolver. A re-holster involves removing the holster and putting the revolver back in, then placing it back in the waist band. It's not a big deal since I no longer have a duty to apprehend. AIWB was the only way for me to carry when making in car drug purchases during UC work on the job. It saved my life.

 

[Krogen]

Glue the dingus in the depressed position? Now there's a BAD idea...

Same as pinning the grip safety on a 1911. Also a BAD idea, IMHO . . . . But, it didn't stop some folks from doing it!

 

[.455_Hunter]

In reality, the whole "modern" striker action is an answer in search of a problem. Because fanboi kool-aid levels are so high, most new shooters don't even get to experience a real quality semiauto pistol, like the Sig P226, Beretta 92, CZ-75 or S&W 3rd Gen. Instead, they are shuffled to the latest and greatest polystriker. At the range, I have offered my 3914DAO to several new shooters trying to wrangle a pocket- poly special. Every one of them preferred it over their wundergun and have been shocked when I tell them it's been discontinued and supposedly "obsolete" platform.

 

[Telecaster]

Ergonomically the dingus doesn't bother me a bit. But I agree it does next to nothing for safety.

 

[OutAtTheEdge]

In reality, the whole "modern" striker action is an answer in search of a problem. Because fanboi kool-aid levels are so high, most new shooters don't even get to experience a real quality semiauto pistol, like the Sig P226, Beretta 92, CZ-75 or S&W 3rd Gen. Instead, they are shuffled to the latest and greatest polystriker. At the range, I have offered my 3914DAO to several new shooters trying to wrangle a pocket- poly special. Every one of them preferred it over their wundergun and have been shocked when I tell them it's been discontinued and supposedly "obsolete" platform.

With all due respect to your opinion, I feel quite the opposite about the various DA/SA autos you mentioned. I have "compact" hands with shorter fingers, and have never been able to master the DA initial trigger pull on pistols like this, and I've owned and tried with an embarrassing variety (Beretta 92, S&W 645, Beretta 8045, and others), stubbornly refusing to grasp the reality of the situation. If I alter my grip sufficiently to fire the gun DA, I'm almost holding the side of the gripframe, and subsequent SA shots are just awful to execute without regripping the gun. For defensive purposes, my preferences run toward SA autos (1911s with short triggers installed), compact striker-fired autos, and J-frame revolvers. I can do okay with RB K-frames with magna stocks, but at the end of the day, the guns I shoot best are a Sig P365 and Kahr K9.