Betcha HE'LL have a concealed carry badge!

Or, you misunderstand what they are screening for!

A few winters back I was clearing snow from my driveway when a guy walked up the road to my house. He was wearing a state police windbreaker and had a stern continence. He started to ask me questions about a car accident down the street. He wanted to know if I had seen the accident and said that a car had left the scene.

Since this was on a local street, he didn't identify himself, and was playing hard *****, I asked him if he was an officer. Instead of answering, he said that he was asking me questions.

Since he was standing in my driveway, I suggested he might want to leave if he wasn't going to identify himself.

He left and went down the hill, I went back to clearing the driveway. He got into a SUV and then just sat there.

After thinking about it a bit, I called the business number of the town PD and asked them to send a cruiser by the address. No rush, no emergency, but if they had a spare unit available.

Some time later a cruiser showed up and the officer talked to the guy. After that, the officer came up the and talked to me. I hadn't asked for that, but then again, it was okay.

The officer explained that the guy wasn't a state trooper (which I expected), but had competed in a golf tournament sponsored by the trooper's association and been given the wind breaker. Which he only told the officer when the officer said he would call a trooper he knew and ask who the guy was.

Turned out that the guy was the father in law of the young couple who had recently moved in. Someone had hit his wife's car and taken off. He was just trying to find out if someone had seen the accident.

Now, if he had just come up the hill and asked me that, I would still wouldn't have been able to help him, but would have sympathized with him.

All he had to do was not be a Richard about it and he wouldn't have raised suspicions.

Actually, there is a specific state law about not wearing the insignia of an organization of which you are not a member. It's been used a couple of times to arrest people impersonating an EMT.

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While I agree on the don't carry a badge CA is a different world from the states here in the south when it comes to firearms and many other laws. Thank goodness.

Same mentality of those who OC their ARs at Piggly Wiggly; just because you can doesn't mean you should.

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"It doesn't help."

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That and OC a handgun and spare mags in a should holster.

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Next time you see him tell him about the forum-it would be nice to reparte in the lounge with him. Lee would stroke out

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If you want to carry a badge.You need to become a police officer.Get hired by a dept go to the academy work thru your probationary period.Do not just buy a badge and pretend your something you are not.

aka the "Shoot Me First" badge.

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Yeah. I think it MIGHT make it less likely that I will be mistaken for a bad guy and shot, if I need to draw my gun in public.

It's normally NOT displayed. If I'm in a public place where a bad guy is making his presence known, and IF I don't need to draw my gun IMMEDIATELY, I would take my badge out of my shirt pocket, and loop it around my neck. THEN I would draw my gun. Despite what many have argued, I believe having that badge visible from a distance might lessen the chances that I will be mistaken for a bad guy (either by a cop, or by another CWP-holder).

So you go about your life with a play badge on a chain in your shirt pocket in case you run into this narrowly-defined and pretty unlikely situation?

If its legal and it makes you feel better, have at it.

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Unlikely, and it increases the odds you'll be shot by a bad guy. I'm not a lawyer or LEO but I think in most jurisdictions you have a duty to retreat if you aren't immediately threatened. CHL/CWP/whatever is not a license to hunt bad guys.

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Wrong. Do as you wish but don't ask for prayers here when you get shot or arrested for impersonation.

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I don't expect to walk away because of the badge. I'm just hoping to avoid being mistaken for a bad guy, and immediately shot.

What's a COTD?

The ID card can't been seen from a distance. The badge can.

I'm trying to think of a kind way to dissuade you of both your practice and your belief.

One of our messy-ist shootings was on I-40 with a guy carrying a badge. He had murdered his wife in CA; he soaked up 8 rounds of 45 ACP and 7 or 8 of 9mm. If I or my people were responding to a 'shots fired' or 'man brandishing (women seldom do this),' we already know our people or local agency personnel aren't there from the dispatch, either radio or data. Someone with a badge and a gun is primarily someone with a gun, and an off-duty officer will already know how to avoid getting shot - empty hands.

Please don't continue this practice.

Not only a bad idea, its Illegal in North Carolina. (See Subsection (a) (2) below).

North Carolina General Statute: § 14-277. Impersonation of a law-enforcement or other public officer.

(a) No person shall falsely represent to another that he is a sworn law-enforcement officer. As used in this section, a person represents that he is a sworn law-enforcement officer if he:

(1) Verbally informs another that he is a sworn law-enforcement officer, whether or not the representation refers to a particular agency;

(2) Displays any badge or identification signifying to a reasonable individual that the person is a sworn law-enforcement officer, whether or not the badge or other identification refers to a particular law-enforcement agency;

(3) Unlawfully operates a vehicle on a public street, highway or public vehicular area with an operating red light as defined in G.S. 20-130.1(a); or

(4) Unlawfully operates a vehicle on a public street, highway, or public vehicular area with an operating blue light as defined in G.S. 20-130.1(c)

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For all of us who have a CWP and carry concealed every day, it's very unlikely we'll ever need that gun. But we still do it, and I think that's a good thing.

Gun, yes. Toy badge, no.

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Best way do that is to have N-O-T-H-I-N-G in your hand when the popo shows up. Believe it or not the ganstas carry badges so when the cops show up they can gain that split second od indecision on the part of the popo thus allowing them to get off the first shot. The popo now know this nad understandably will absolutely shoot an armed unknown in order to eliminate the perceived threat. Then and olny then will the crime scene be considered secure. They will soon realize their mistake but you will be dead and the popo's insuror will have a GREAT defense to any wrongful death claim your family may bring. I realize by your posts in this thread that you are probably yanking us but I just had to respond in the off chance you are actually serious.

BTW and not meaning to show any disrespect are you by chance related to Geko45???

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This is where I’m at. He’s nothing if not firm in his conviction. As Grandma Muggins would say, “Bless his heart . . . “

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So should Johnny Hurley (in the recent Arvada, Colorado attack) have retreated when he saw the bad guy kill the first cop, instead of killing the bad guy, and thereby probably saving the lives of many innocent victims?

Depends...was he wearing a badge???

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I don't know Geko45. But since you are a Cajun, you're probably familiar with my last name, since there are thousands of Fontenot's in southern Louisiana.

No, and I think Hurley might have not been shot by the 2nd responding officer if he'd had a badge visible from a distance.

You're speculating. How much time elapsed between when the officer was killed and the first responding officer arrived? Hurley may have died for a few seconds of delaying a murderer who had re-armed himself but not yet fired the AR-15. When the responding officer hit the scene, he took immediate, decisive action - I'd have preferred it had been against the murderer than a good citizen.

Don't develop strategies from incomplete information.

If one doesn't know what COTD stands for, then one also likely doesn't know the proper, trained-to-be-reflexive response to a police challenge.

Each step in the responding officer's decision chain that a guy holding a gun and a badge fails, makes him more likely to get shot by that responding officer. Not less.

Heck! I went to the acronym finder and here's what I came up with. Obviously not the correct magic phrase.

Cardiac Output by Thermodilution?
Complete On Time Delivery?
Catch Of The Day?
Comment Of The Day?
Children Of The Damned?
Call Off The Dogs?
Clan Of The Dragon?
Circle Of True Doom?
Clash Of The Dinosaurs?
Car Of The Decade?
Cougars Of The Desert?
Cross Of The Dutchman?
Click On The Differences?
Circus Of The Dwarfs?

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You’re just gonna keep this flapjack on the griddle, ain’t ya’ . . .

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Wisdom comes thru fear . . .

Maybe on Mos Eisley. I don’t know it. Explain it, Yoda . . .

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Wisdom comes thru fear . . .

It's far from "secret" but it is not something that needs to be discussed publicly. IMHO.

Then why bring it up?

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Over my LE career, I ran into a number of 'wannabee's' - often in LE lookalike Plymouths or later Crown Vics - usually festooned with all manner of antennas.
The CC badge makes me connect it with just that sort - a geekzoid, if you would.

For LE I worked with, contact with someone flashing the CC badge would have them checking every database they could to see if there was any connection to impersonation cases involving abduction, rape, 'blue light bandit' cases, etc.

My badges are locked away except for some duplicates affixed to a retirement plaque.
I just carry a laminated department ID card marked retired to go along with my LEOSA card, as required.

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COTD is color of the day. Some departments have their UC guys wear a specific color, and brief it at roll call. I don’t know of any place doing it now.

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There ARE still lots of unanswered questions. Maybe eventually we'll get a more complete picture.

It HAS been acknowledged by the Arvada Police Department that many innocent people would likely have been killed without the intervention by Hurley. That implies that there WAS a significant time gap between Hurley's killing of the bad guy and the responding officer's arrival.

One important piece of information is that the bad guy used a shotgun to kill the first officer. He then went to his truck, and traded the shotgun for an AR-15. When the responding officer arrived, he had been told that the bad guy had an AR-15.

For unknown reasons, Hurley was holding the bad guy's AR-15 when the cop arrived. WHY he was holding it is currently unknown, at least by the public. Had he shot his handgun dry, and grabbed the AR-15 in case there were other bad guys? If not, why didn't he just slide the AR well away from the bad guy with his foot, in case the bad guy wasn't dead yet? If he picked it up for no good reason, it was indeed a bad move on his part. Did the responding officer attempt to communicate with Hurley? Where was Hurley pointing the AR when the cop saw him? Hopefully, eventually answers to the above questions will come out.

You'd have to ask the member who did.

Thanks. That still wouldn't provide any protection for an off-duty cop from another jurisdiction who happened to be present at the scene of the shooting. That's when being able to display his badge might save him.

What about the tee shirt showing a big tin can with the label "Whoop *****" with the caption reading, "Don't make me open this".

Would this work as good as a badge?

Well, one reason I can think of is that someone is a wannabe cop...and I don't think such folks should be carrying guns...

I’m asking the member who apparently knows and won’t tell, which is actually more irritating. And now that somebody nice has explained it, I have no idea why it has any relevance to the OP . . .

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No, he should not have retreated. IMHO, he did the right thing up until he picked up the AR instead of presenting himself as harmless to arriving LEOs. But that is not the point of this thread. The point is displaying a phony badge isn't a good plan. I don't know just how many of the Bad plan votes were actual LEOs, but 146 to 4 with some don't matters pretty much gives very little support for your plan to display a fake badge.

I will bet NONE of the good idea votes came from a LEO. certainly none of them expressed any support for the idea.

Take the advice of people with actual Law Enforcement experience and ditch the badge. Heck ever the retired LEOs are saying they don't use theirs. It is called a clue.

I have read every post and they bear proof that we are all not wired the same. 203 people voted and 4 people think a carry badge is a good idea.

My takeaway? Some folks ya just can't reach.

To quote Grandma Muggins: "bless their hearts".

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Unless the AR was empty it was cocked with a round in the chamber. Sliding a loaded gun around with your foot is not a good move.
I have always thought it's a bad idea to get involved in a fight between people you don't know. I have posted before that even though you are helping the cops the responding cops will beat to the ground and hand cuff or shoot everybody that isn't a cop. This time they shot. Larry

Catwalk of the damned
Caterwalling of the donkey
Clash of the dimwits
Clear out the demons

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Close Out This Debacle.

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For you newer members-Remember Geko45???

Are you a Ville Platte Fontenot or a Pointe Coupe Fontenot??

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John it's 10:00 on a Friday night and lots of posters are drinking-this is the time to let this puppy RIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Yee-haw! Let the whatabouts roll!!^^^^