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Red Dot Optic Reticle Options???
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Rodan
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Red vs. Green is mostly a personal preference. Some folks see one or the other better depending on their individual vision issues. Red is usually preferred for use with NVGs.
IMHO a triangle/chevron reticle is more useful on a rifle. The entire reticle can be used for close shooting and the tip for more precise shots or range discrimination based on reticle height. On a pistol, at realistic pistol ranges, it doesn't provide as much benefit so it comes down to personal preference on the shape of the reticle.
The proper technique for red dot shooting with a handgun is to focus on the target, not on the dot, so a reticle that requires your focus to shift to it for use is counter to good practices and will inhibit your performance with it.
IMHO a triangle/chevron reticle is more useful on a rifle. The entire reticle can be used for close shooting and the tip for more precise shots or range discrimination based on reticle height. On a pistol, at realistic pistol ranges, it doesn't provide as much benefit so it comes down to personal preference on the shape of the reticle.
The proper technique for red dot shooting with a handgun is to focus on the target, not on the dot, so a reticle that requires your focus to shift to it for use is counter to good practices and will inhibit your performance with it.
I’ve got a couple Holosuns with the green dot with circle reticule and they are much easier to pick up quickly with older eyes. When I go back to my firearms with older red dots, it takes a little acclimatization.
Over the past 5 years I’ve shot over 50 different handguns and a few long guns.
Some had red dots and green dots with different reticles.
The red dots are easier to pick up than the green dots if the firearm if used outdoors in a “green” terrain.
The circle reticles may be easier to pick up, but I prefer the smallest dot I can choose. The smaller dot size, 3 MOA for example, is easier for me to place on a target that is 25 yards and beyond.
By the way, I tried a red dot on my CC defense handgun and it is way too difficult to pick up quickly. Yes….. I have practiced, but I’m old.
I replaced it with a green laser and its lightning fast. But, not good in bright light.
Some had red dots and green dots with different reticles.
The red dots are easier to pick up than the green dots if the firearm if used outdoors in a “green” terrain.
The circle reticles may be easier to pick up, but I prefer the smallest dot I can choose. The smaller dot size, 3 MOA for example, is easier for me to place on a target that is 25 yards and beyond.
By the way, I tried a red dot on my CC defense handgun and it is way too difficult to pick up quickly. Yes….. I have practiced, but I’m old.
I replaced it with a green laser and its lightning fast. But, not good in bright light.
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I definitely agree with that. For me, red dots and green dots are strictly for range toys. If I ever get in a defensive situation, it’s gonna be point shooting, or front sight…if there’s time for it. I practice point shooting with my carry weapons and would trust that over the second or two it would take to line up the dot. Younger eyes and better reflexes work better with electronic sights.
Great feedback! This is why I was leaning toward the chevron style reticle. Placing the tip of the "triangle" on target, in my mind, is the same as placing a small dot on target. Of course, I have not used the chevron style, yet. I could be way off base.
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IIRC, When I bought an RMR 3.25 and a Delta Point Pro, greens were not made.
The Delta shape might be considered a filled in narrow chevron.
I use green florescent paint on my irons, as green is the easiest,
color to see, but the downsides, are listed above.
Screen size is important as well.
RMR and DPP on right side.
The Delta shape might be considered a filled in narrow chevron.
I use green florescent paint on my irons, as green is the easiest,
color to see, but the downsides, are listed above.
Screen size is important as well.
RMR and DPP on right side.
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I’ve got a Trijicon RMR with the tritium light that came along with a bunch of reloading stuff I bought at an estate sale. The tritium has faded to almost nothing, but it still works pretty well off ambient light. It has an amber triangle (not sure of the MOA), and really works well in bright sunlight. I’ve got it mounted on an FN510 with an Obsidian .45 can and I really like it…but not enough to pay full price for a new one
I’ve got it set up for POA/POI at the tip of the triangle at 15 yards. At 25 yards, I just hold a little high and still manage to get most of the rounds in the black.
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I just bought a Holosun green dot about a month or so ago. My first dot. I see the green a lot better than the red, but I am also red-green-brown colorblind, and that seems to be true for others with color blindness as well.
I bought it for a suppressed Ruger MKIV range toy. I like it, but I agree that, for me, I would not want a dot optic on a carry gun. (I have an XS yellow Big Dot on my P365X and like it a lot for quick acquistion with aging eyes.)
I bought it for a suppressed Ruger MKIV range toy. I like it, but I agree that, for me, I would not want a dot optic on a carry gun. (I have an XS yellow Big Dot on my P365X and like it a lot for quick acquistion with aging eyes.)
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^^^^
Did you upgrade the trigger to make that range toy,
a better RANGE TOY?
Have a stainless trigger Volquartsen arriving today.
Wish the ATF would allow for homemade suppressors
as easy as buying one these days.
Will check their website to see if there are any changes.
Did you upgrade the trigger to make that range toy,
a better RANGE TOY?
Have a stainless trigger Volquartsen arriving today.
Wish the ATF would allow for homemade suppressors
as easy as buying one these days.
Will check their website to see if there are any changes.
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Just to be clear,
Wasn't planning on making a real silencer, but more of a gun/art
project, with laminated wood, like some left over from grip work, from around '80.
Technically it might silence a bit, so the tax stamp, might avoid issues.
Pic of old wood and a slab signed by guitarist Joe Pass, back around '80.
Would be adding music notation to the wooden silencer and the grips.
Might be Beethoven?
Wasn't planning on making a real silencer, but more of a gun/art
project, with laminated wood, like some left over from grip work, from around '80.
Technically it might silence a bit, so the tax stamp, might avoid issues.
Pic of old wood and a slab signed by guitarist Joe Pass, back around '80.
Would be adding music notation to the wooden silencer and the grips.
Might be Beethoven?
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Sure did — installed the VQ trigger group.^^^^
Did you upgrade the trigger to make that range toy,
a better RANGE TOY?
Have a stainless trigger Volquartzen arriving today....
I was complaining about my aging eyes to a friend of mine that shoots a competitive pistol match. He let me try his target pistol that had a Burris Fastfire 3MOA Red Dot scope on it. It was love at first shot, I liked it so much I installed one on my Marvel .22/1911 frame target pistol. It improved my shooting enough that I even went so far as to install one on my S&W Model 52. I liked the two of them so much that I installed an 8MOA Fastfire on my home defense HK 45C. That handgun also has a Surefire weapon's light installed. That 8MOA is so big and bright there is no question you are on target when brought up to bear, the light is finger controlled and illuminates the target brilliantly.
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chevron reticle sight
I just installed a Holosun 507 with red ACSS reticle on a Staccato XC and ran around 700 rounds through it over 3 days. For precision target shooting, the 0.5 MOA tip of the dimmed chevron is very precise. For faster "combat" shooting I turn up the reticle intensity and use it as a 10 MOA dot for quicker target acquisition up close. I tried it next to a friend's green dot but preferred the red (he liked the green). Overall it seems very versatile and I'm thinking about mounting them on several more target guns. Price ain't bad at around $320 and battery life is good with solar backup. This is my first Holosun but my research concerning durability, dependability and longevity has been positive.
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I just installed a Holosun 507 with red ACSS reticle on a Staccato XC and ran around 700 rounds through it over 3 days. For precision target shooting, the 0.5 MOA tip of the dimmed chevron is very precise. For faster "combat" shooting I turn up the reticle intensity and use it as a 10 MOA dot for quicker target acquisition up close. I tried it next to a friend's green dot but preferred the red (he liked the green). Overall it seems very versatile and I'm thinking about mounting them on several more target guns. Price ain't bad at around $320 and battery life is good with solar backup. This is my first Holosun but my research concerning durability, dependability and longevity has been positive.
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Farmer17
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I like my circle dot Holosuns so well I will probably get rid of my one single dot sight.
I do not like the Chevron optic regardless or color . After years using a trijicon RM02 dot I moved to Holosun he407c-gr x2 back in 2012 and prefer the Green circle dot option over other do optic types . I see the green better than read and the 32moa circle works very well for short yardage defensive needs while the 2moa dot aids accuracy at longer distances But at 69 years old with astigmatism and trifocals for years . I know one day I will need to carry a handgun with a dot optic but for now my green dot is a fun range practice handgun . My wife's is a early M&P core that is now a fun and hd gun but she has great eye sight . I still use open sights on carry handguns but bought a ultra dot 2moa back in '91 for a revolver I hunted with so I have a long history with do optics .
Holosun does offer several amber dots for red-green color bling shooters too .
Holosun does offer several amber dots for red-green color bling shooters too .
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New trigger on hand, but will still bench the Ruger with
the, pretty nice, OEMs first, with the 2.5-8x scope.
Then install trigger and bench, with scope.
Red Dot and Irons will follow.
Have to load some 63, 70, 80 and 85grs, over Varget,
for a 6920 with a T36 scope and the new Geissele SS trigger.
Have not loaded for a 1:7 yet, just several 1:12s over the years.
Changed my mind.
Will install the new trigger before going to the range.
Trigger finger just wants to have fun.
Have nine different types of ammo to try.
Will install the new trigger before going to the range.
Trigger finger just wants to have fun.
Have nine different types of ammo to try.
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Trigger pull is 1lb 14 & 3/8 oz.
Will test it with the 2.5-8x32 Leupold, benched with sandbags.
Nine different types of ammo to test for starters.
Then the RMR 3.25 will be used most often.
Will order some Eley.
The old Delta Point Pro, will be used on the 460s and maybe,
for fun, on the snubby Ruger 458.
Usually wears irons or the 2.5x28mm IER Leupold.
Leupold told me that they warranty those on any firearm.
They also said that they will have handgun scopes available
again, if the demand is there.
Trijicon said they would also warranty the RMR on anything.
From experience, I trust Leupold.
Will test it with the 2.5-8x32 Leupold, benched with sandbags.
Nine different types of ammo to test for starters.
Then the RMR 3.25 will be used most often.
Will order some Eley.
The old Delta Point Pro, will be used on the 460s and maybe,
for fun, on the snubby Ruger 458.
Usually wears irons or the 2.5x28mm IER Leupold.
Leupold told me that they warranty those on any firearm.
They also said that they will have handgun scopes available
again, if the demand is there.
Trijicon said they would also warranty the RMR on anything.
From experience, I trust Leupold.
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