As a collector of the Remington Nylon series, I'm often asked what the difference is between the Mohawk Brown Nylon 66 and the Seneca Green model of the same gun. Quite regularly, someone will acquire an Apache 77 clip-fed "K-Mart special" that is quite green in color and think that they have the rare Seneca Green Nylon 66. There's quite a difference. The Apache 77 will be so marked on the grip cap, is clip fed rather than in-stock tube fed, have no white spacers, and will have black diamonds inset into the fore-end shanks. These were made between 1987 and 1989, a total of 54,783 having been made. They will command a premium of about 10 to 15% over the MB N66.

The difference between a run-of-the mill Nylon 66 Mohawk Brown and its comparatively rare Seneca Green counterpart lies only in the very subtle color differences of the stocks. The Mohawk Brown model is, well, brown. The Seneca Green model is also brown - sort of. The best way to describe it is that it is a green-tinged brown. As I say, the difference is subtle. Here are two comparative pictures of representative examples of each in my collection. The top one is Mohawk Brown, the lower one is Seneca Green.





When you have them side by side, the difference is apparent. In dim light, viewing either of them alone (such as at a gun show), one can be mistaken for the other. So what's the difference?

The MB model is by far the most common model. 675,052 were manufactured by Remington between 1958 and as late as possibly 1991. The SG model is a fairly rare bird; 45,250 were made between 1958 and 1963. Values on both have been escalating in recent years, but the the SG model is by far more valuable - probably on the order of 2X compared to the MB. They were made in the early years, and attrition has thinned out the supply considerably.

Please don't ask me about values - there are too many variables; condition, year of manufacture, area of the country, presence or or not of an original box and papers, etc. I can only give you relative values, as above.

If you have your eye out for either of these Nylon 66s, I hope this comparison will be helpful to you.

John

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Thanks for the post...but I still have my very first firearm, a Nylon 66 Apache Black. Wonderful firearm.

As a kid,I thought that the brown Nylon 66s were the coolest thing around. Inasmuch as I already had a perfectly serviceable .22 Marlin bolt gun my chances of getting one were slim to none.

That's ok; It took a few decades but I now have two--one a pretty minty one and a scruffy one I had to rehabilitate.

I still think they're cool.

I have two older brothers and they each got MB bolt action 66's for Christmas. When my turn came four years later only semi-auto was available. Boy, were they ticked!

From a collector standpoint, your older brothers got the more valuable guns. Here's a summary and a comparative value chart.

John

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had a brown one with no serial#. must have shot 10,000 rounds thru and never took it apart for cleaning. an old gunsmith told me they were a real chore to put back together.

I had one with a black stock, but blued, not nickled, parts. What did I have? I think it had white diamonds on the forearm.

I bought it new in the 1980's and had to sell about 1990.

I have a 66MB with the matte finish on the receiver cover and also the
barrel. Barrel stamp is OH which looks like July 1987. I bought it NIB
at a gun show shortly after they were discontinued for $100. Way back
when, I had one of the bolt actions. I think it was the single shot but
can't remember for sure. I sure regret passing on one at a gun show
back in the mid 80s. It was the Gallery model in 22 Short with the
case deflector. It was used in excellent condition and the tag said
$150. I have never seen another one since.

I bought one w/paper route money when I was 12. My choices then were that or the Ruger 10-22.
Either was around $50 IIRC.
I got the Remington. It never lived up to my expectations,,what could really at that age! Even a C4 Weaver didn't improve accuracy.
It had a nasty habit of launching the mag tube while you were woods walking in the winter. A tiny bit of snow turned to ice in the mag tube notch made for insecure locking of the tube.
I always managed to backtrack and find the tube, but the precious 55cents/box ammo was gone in the snow.

I never did get a Ruger either. I didn't own another 22 semiauto till a couple of Winchester 63's many years later.

I have the N-A77. Bought it brand new at K-Mart in Shawnee, OK when they had them on sale. Mom had to come with me to fill out the paperwork because I wasn't quite 18 yet. I don't care what someone says it's worth, I wouldn't trade it for anything.

John, thanks for your writeups. No matter how much I think I know, you always seem to have quite a bit more information than I do.

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My parents gave me a Mohawk 10C for my 21st birthday. I don't really think much of it, now. Of course, I would never get rid of it.

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My first ever .22 semi auto was a Nylon 66 MB. Paid about $40 for it used.
NO maintenance of any kind, and was unstoppable. Never any sort of malfunction. Amazing rifle.

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Still have it? Mine is going to my son.

Yeah. But that really wasn't the point of my post.

You probably had the Black Diamond model, which had blued components with black diamond inserts on the forearm. You possibly might have had the CBC Nylon 66 clone made in Brazil; these had white diamonds set in black stocks, with blued metal components. Check the specs above on the Black Diamond and all the other Rem. variations. CBC guns were not as well made and not as valuable. These were made on used Remington tooling from 1984 to the early '90s.

John

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And who can forget the 100,004 wooden blocks hit in the air in 1959 by Tom Frye shooting a Nylon 66 with no malfunction or cleaning.

Same here...and I got in on my 12th birthday...the same day this post was started....I love that gun, load of memories with it.....

My wife enjoyed shooting it years later too. As did my Godson.....

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Great pics , SIP.
I got a 66 too. What a fine little carbine.I wish I would have bought them all at Ames ,( years ago ) when the store was about to discontinue gun sales .

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That's the one I have, as well.

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My old man has a CBC copy.Works well but te trigger is not very good.
Regards, Ray

Like My 1965 vintage Black/Chrome Nylon 66 was a gift from a neighbor in the mid 80's


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I have a MB Nylon 66. The stock is cracked, but it still functions. I was thinking of selling it or parting out, since I never plan on using it. My Grandfather and my Uncle bought a few of these and they hung around my Grandfather's shop for many years. I somehow wound up with this one. My Grandfather bought 6 of these for him and his buddies sometime around 1974.

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I wanted one from the first time I saw one. My dad bought me a Remington single shot instead. As soon as I had the money and was old enough to buy one, I bought my own. By then they were up to about $60 or so. I believe I was driving by that time, so I must have been about 16. I dropped on the ice while hunting and it broke at the wrist. I was stunned! I bought another one a few years later and still have it.

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Hey John . This is tcass . My uncle passed away two months ago . I just received his guns . One of them was a nylon 66 . It's in very nice shape . It's a single shot bolt action . On the barrel it reads 22 short long and long rifle . Not sure what it's worth . I looked at your two pages of info . I'm not sure which one this falls under . Lol scarce find or extremely rare . Can you help me out with this one please . Thank you

I elected the Nylon 12 as my first 22 rifle. I somehow liked the bolt action better, perhaps because of the under barrel magazine as I was used to on my dad's Remington 550-1.

my first rifle that I bought new was a black diamond... still have it... box and everything else..

If your gun is a single shot bolt action it is actually a Nylon 10 model not a 66. It was the least produced of all the Nylon series rifles and is quite collectible. Not sure of current values and condition does affect the price even on the rarer guns.

My father in law gave my son one of these. I guess I should go see what it is.

It's a Mohawk 10C made Jul 1973.

Even as a kid, I thought the plastic stock was dorky; I’ve always been a wood and steel guy.* To my eye, they look like a BB gun, cheap.

* Except the few rifles with McMillan stocks I own.

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Sounds like quite a venture for Remington back in the day when walnut ruled the roost. Still sold very well and collectors love em today.

Come to think of it believe Dupont had that Zytel plastic and seemed like a good idea for a stock/forearm gun.

They sure do. I was hoping to get one in Apache Black and I kept getting blown away in the bidding. But now I have a one-of-a-kind Mohawk Brown Nylon 66. It was my dad's and I have it now.

The nylon stocks on these have weakened with age.

Nylon 6,6 is a cross linked hydrophilic polymeroid that exhibits progressive loss of structural integrity as the Nylon permanently desiccates after extended elapsation of time.

Vis a vis, the existing stocks on these are much more fragile than when they were made and the issue will only worsen with age.

Give me a proper 10/22 with AMERICAN BLACK WALNUT stock. The Nylon 66, while a cool rifle, is now totally obsolete as a shooter and exists as a relic of the distant past.

I had one (semi-auto) for several years in the late 1970’s. Used it as a boat gun mostly for when we were on the river. Gave it to one of my cousins, eventually. The guns were not hard to find in those days and I fired more than one. Wish I had it back.
A little known feature of these guns is that if the magazine is empty and you want to load a single round quickly, turn the gun horizontal with the right side up, and action closed. Lay a loaded cartridge in the ejection port opening bullet forward. Still keeping the rifle horizontal, quickly pull the bolt back and release it.
The gun will let the cartridge drop down into the action, and strip it forward into the chamber flawlessly, every time.
I wish Remington would start making them again. They would be extremely cheap and quick to manufacture, and I’ll bet they could sell a bunch of them.
I had and prefer the box magazine-fed version myself.

It must have been around 1973 that I started to buy a 66 but bouts a new Ruger 10/22 from KMart for $69 if my memory hasn’t failed me. It was a tough decision but had a Ruger a standard mkI and thought the 10/22 would be a good companion. To this day I still have my 10/22 but have always thought I’d like to find a nice 66 and buy it if not too expensive. They are very cool rifles.

Until around a year ago, I had a 10C. An OK rifle, but I just could not warm up to it. I have read that the Nylon series .22 rifles were favored by Eskimos in Alaska and northern Canada because they functioned very reliably in frigid environments. Also the story about the Remington exhibition shooter who fired at 100,000 hand-thrown wooden blocks continuously missing only a few of them and had no gun malfunctions. I think he used several rifles and loaders so he did not have to stop shooting to reload.

I'm OK with a Ruger 10/22 with American Black Walnut. As a run of the mill common shooter. I wish Ruger made more of them than the plastic or "hardwood stained" versions.

Not a 66 but a Nylon still -

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I've always liked the Remington Nylon 66 rifles...a innovative rifle for sure...ahead of its time...actually way, way ahead of its time considering Glocks were still many years away.

I have 2 of these classics, a Seneca Green, date code PG (June 1960, barrel s/n 61876, and a Mohawk Brown, date code RP (November 1967), barrel s/n 408104.

They are still one heck of a lot of fun for plinking, spinners, pop cans, light gauge steel silhouettes, etc.

Like some say, hard to discern the SG color from the MB, but outside decent sunlight...you'll see it. Pic MB11 is Mohawk Brown, pic Nylon 66 F is the Seneca Green.

I have not ever seen any deterioration of the plastic stocks due to age, and I had never really heard of it until the post above, but mine are in the safe so I'm not really worried.

As far as the opinion above that Nylon 66 rifles are obsolete and exist only as a relic of the distant past.....that maybe just decribes ME as well....an obsolete shooter and relic of the past

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[QUOTE=Glenn R. McMannly;142134267The Nylon 66, while a cool rifle, is now totally obsolete as a shooter and exists as a relic of the distant past.[/QUOTE]

As is everyone here. I’m proud to be a relic of the past and also own a relic of the past. And I still love shooting my Nylon as it connects me to better times.

Relic out.

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In my shooting life, I have encountered 2 rifles that I would not consider again. A nylon 66 and a savage o/u m24. Both of these I bought new and they both had serious point of impact issues. I gave them away. Early 70’s time frame.

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The few times I see a Nylon 66 for sale around here in SW Missouri they are usually priced at $250 or more.

That would be the Nylon 10 single shot bolt action, N10.

Not really rare, but not many left today. Hard to find, A keeper.

John

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Agreed, I've seen only one Nylon 10 in my time and I brought it home. It won't be going anywhere for a while either.

Wonderful guns. I have had several over the years but only the Apache and the Mohawk Brown. I currently own a MB example. I've had several apart to fix for others as well. A total strip is not for the faint of heart. Really fun to shoot as you all know.

In my youth my desire for a Nylon 66 was similar to the Red Ryder in A Christmas Story. For 4-5 Christmases it was my dream present. I was 10 or 11 and Dad got me a Model 94 30-30, he said he got that because I would just play with a .22. It was a couple years later I bought one myself at the local hardware store, Dad signed for it. Now, some 50 years later I own about a dozen nylon .22’s in the various forms. I’ve got 66’s in brown, black/chrome, green a well as box magazine, tube fed versions and bolt guns. I got one of the short lived lever action 76’s several years ago. In summary, I’m a fan.