Wyatt Burp
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I could be wrong, but I think "Sonny Crockett" carried two of the guns mentioned here in that upside down holster on Miami Vice. The S&W .45 and the Bren Ten. I know Don Johnson was given a S&W .45 auto by Rolling Stone Ron Wood.
Handguns from the 80's/90's that didn't make it.
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johngalt
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Many years ago the LGS had one on the shelf. It sat there for a very long time, I don't know if they ever did sell it. You couldn't give me one for free.
cmort666
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I suppose that you could put it in the category of a "last ditch" Arisaka or one of the monstrosities made up for the Volkssturm. They're something you'd never shoot, but might collect if you were interested in that kind of thing.
Such a collection might include:
- Colt All American 2000
- Rogak P-18
- Kimball .30 Carbine pistol
- Bryco/Jennings of whatever sort
- RG revolvers
UncleEd
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Besides the All American, Colt had a double action "1911".....I forget its name, Double Eagle?, but a dog. Colt also had the Colt Cowboy. Yuk.
Colt also had a series of economy revolvers such as Detective special but without polishing, without any refinements, just
horrible. Company kept trying to get into the gun of the month
act with cut rate garbage, hoping the Colt name was enough to sell them.
Ruger .357 Maximum
Remington economy rifles with locking lugs in the rear of the bolt instead of the front.
The COP
Forget its name but a blowback 9 mm with a slide and spring
weighing and designed for a major work truck.
Colt also had a series of economy revolvers such as Detective special but without polishing, without any refinements, just
horrible. Company kept trying to get into the gun of the month
act with cut rate garbage, hoping the Colt name was enough to sell them.
Ruger .357 Maximum
Remington economy rifles with locking lugs in the rear of the bolt instead of the front.
The COP
Forget its name but a blowback 9 mm with a slide and spring
weighing and designed for a major work truck.
There was a 4-caliber conversion set based on a Mauser HSc lookalike. By switching bbl/slide assemblies and magazines, the gun could fire .22LR, and .25, .32, and .380ACP. Guess it was overdone. Introduced in the 70s.
Mas Ayoob was fond of the Security Industries stainless snub revolvers and wrote them up very positively. They seemed to disappear quietly, don't know why.
The American Rifleman did an article not too long ago on firearm developments that didn't catch on. Not good for large firms, it's especially unfortunate when an individual puts his faith, time, and above all, money into a concept that falls short.
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Mas Ayoob was fond of the Security Industries stainless snub revolvers and wrote them up very positively. They seemed to disappear quietly, don't know why.
The American Rifleman did an article not too long ago on firearm developments that didn't catch on. Not good for large firms, it's especially unfortunate when an individual puts his faith, time, and above all, money into a concept that falls short.
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cmort666
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Sounds like the Stallard/Hi Points, which are made here.
People say the work, but I can't imagine why I'd want to get one of those if I could get ANYTHING else, be it a Makarov, a Helwan, a CZ52, or a Walther P-1. And that doesn't include police trade-in Smith revolvers.
There have been a number of previous attempts to make pure blowback firearms more powerful than 9x18mm Makarov, most of them failures, including:
- Walther Model 6 - Heavy recoil spring
- 9mm Dreyse - Heavy recoil spring able to be decoupled from the slide for loading
- LeFrancais Armee Pistolet - Heavy recoil spring combined with a tip up barrel for loading
- Astra M400/M600 - Heavy recoil spring
The Hi Point is conceptually similar to the German attempt to turn the He-177 heavy bomber into a "dive bomber". Yeah, they did it... But WHY, and to what better effect than a Ju-87 or an SBD? What does a Hi Point do better than a P-1?
cmort666
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H&K P-4. They're collector's items now.
doublesharp
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Ruger PC4 and PC9 pistol caliber carbines. Originally produced for police dept to match Ruger handguns and share magazines. After the Miami shootout most pd dropped the pistol caliber carbine in favor of AR platform. PCs are pretty collectable, especially the early production models marked Police Carbine.
cmort666
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I always liked the BKM and BKS. They were the original compact 9x19mms. Supposedly the firing pins extended past the breech face when the hammer was down, but could be shortened so that they didn't.Ματθιας;138568069 said:
A friend in the Army had one. He got it during the brief period during which the U.S. Cavalry Store sold guns. It was a decent pistol.Ματθιας;138568069 said:
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LVSteve
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IIRC the biggest issue with those was that they were way more accurate than anybody expected and they started taking sales from the 700. Of course, the anti-rear locking Mafia got vocal about them, too. Rear locking never seemed to be a problem with the Lee-Enfield, MAS 36 or Madsen 1948, but that's just me bothering folks with facts again.
As for the Steyr GB, it was doomed when it lost to the Beretta 92 in the DoD competition. My milspec example shoots just fine in SA, but the DA trigger is overly heavy.
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DWalt
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Probably the best example of a successful 9mm blowback design pistol is the Astra 400/600. Extremely well made and durable. But with very jarring recoil, and not pleasant to shoot. And any owner of one is advised to resist the temptation to disassemble it.
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Farmer17
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About 1981 I fired a friends squeeze cocker HK p-7 9m/m and I thought for sure that would be the wave of the future and make a lot of other guns disappear.
How about that tiny .45 acp pistol that wasn't semi-auto, you pushed the slide forward with your offhand thumb to cycle a round. Now that's "thinking outside the box"
How about that tiny .45 acp pistol that wasn't semi-auto, you pushed the slide forward with your offhand thumb to cycle a round. Now that's "thinking outside the box"
DWalt
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"About 1981 I fired a friends squeeze cocker HK p-7 9m/m and I thought for sure that would be the wave of the future and make a lot of other guns disappear."
Try finding one. Those who have them will probably go to their grave with it in the casket to use on Satan.
Try finding one. Those who have them will probably go to their grave with it in the casket to use on Satan.
I remember those. A Lieutenant in our local PD carried one for a while. Those things were so big they had their own zip code.
They show up all the time as Government's Exhibit 1 . . .
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How about the Intratec DC nine? I remember seeing those for a short period during the early nineties--now just dont see them anywhere? I liked them because when I had one--I had a Steve McQueen ""Hell Is For Heroes""complex. 
I even had three magazines banded together like he did with his Grease Gun-in said movie.
I even had three magazines banded together like he did with his Grease Gun-in said movie.
zzzippper
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I had two and sold both without shooting either. Another example of my investment prowess with guns.
wheelgunguy
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Smith&Wesson 940.
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