mini 14

I have a mini-14, and a Colt M4. Sure the Colt is more accurate, but the mini-14 is the one I keep loaded and ready. Here in my woods 50 yards is a fairly long shot, and I like the way the Ruger handles, and it's reliability. I have a fixed 2.5x scope made for shotguns mounted on it, with a heavy reticle. Simple, no doodads, no batteries.

Some would question the need for a scope at all, but they don't have my eyes. :o

Reliable like a hammer and an AK-47. Way more piston/op rod carbines in the world than AR's.
 
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Always wanted a older original stainless folder, just because of the A Team. Only one I actually owned was collected as a debt from a college roommate - blued standard version - it was reliable, as accurate as they could be (minute of bard door) and eventually got traded off for something else.

Today's prices for what are basically the same thing, are insane! I'd buy one just for nostalgia but any of them, new or old, are stupid priced for what they are.

Samson Manufacturing sells a Ruger "factory" folder stock. It's also sold by Ruger. Copied off the old blueprints so to speak. I have a few, would be hard pressed to tell from original. Works on everything except the 180 series (due to their shorter lower GB) and including the Mini 30. Costs about $275.00. Some folks are pushing them as hard to find and up-charging, but they're readily available at cost.
 
I have Ruger OEM mags for my early Mini-14 Ranch Rifle, in 5-round, 20-round, and 30-round capacity. I also have a number of Israeli-made Orlite 30-round mags for it. Never a hiccup with any of them...
 
This is the rifle I recommend to all my newbie gun friends who say they want an AR. I tell them it will do anything the AR will do but it’s not banned because it doesn’t have a pistol grip and collapsing stock. Of course, once some knucklehead uses one in a sensational crime, and they will eventually, then it will no longer be under the anti’s radar and will be demonized as a civilian battle rifle.
 
I have an older mini 14, I put a nylon stock on it and a 3x9 scope. I threaded the end of barrel and made a flash suppressor for it and then made a heavy tube that slides over the end of barrel and is trapped between the gas port housing and the suppressor, effectively tensioning that portion of the barrel and it shoots 2" at 100 with 55gr and lighter bullets. I like that little gun. My ARs are not near as interesting to me.
 
I have a blued Mini-14 serial numbered 188-525XX. What year is it from? Thanks.
Larry


If you go to ruger.com, click on Rifles at the top of the page, then on Serial Number Search you'll get to this page:

Serial Number Lookup

It looks like 1992, depending on those mysterious Xs. :)

This site is a lot more useful, in terms of putting them all on the same page and adding barrel twist information as well as other major change information.

Sunflower Ammo.com: Ruger Mini-14/30 Barrel Twist Rates

You need to take the change dates with a grain of salt as Ruger had a habit of putting parts, and in particular barrels, on the shelf and then using them some what randomly. For example, when Ruger changed from 1-10” to 1-7” twist barrels they started stocking the 1-7” barrels as they were received from the supplier but they didn’t use all the 1-10” barrels before they started installing 1-7” barrels on mini 14s they were building. Consequently, when they finally installed the last 1-10” barrel on the shelf it ,at have been months or even a year or two after the first 1-7” Mini 14 went out the door.

Also, Ruger had a policy of repairing and rebuilding law enforcement Mini 14s for essentially the cost of shipping, and it was common for Ruger to rebarrel them when they came in for repair if the had any significant degree of wear. Consequently, it’s not uncommon for a former law enforcement Mini 14 to have whatever barrel was being installed on new Mini 14s when it went in for a repair or rebuild.
 
Just remember. The cheapest AR15 ever made will outshoot any mini 14 ever made on targets.......Been There. Done that.

That’s not quite correct, but there’s a grain of truth there.

Back before the earth cooled in the pre SGW days when:
- Colt was the only company that made the AR-15; *and*
- after Ruger modified the 180 series Mini 14 to the 181 series,
that was true, but the difference was small - small enough for most shooters to ignore.

Prior to the 181 series, which was extensively modified to reflect commonality with the select fire AC-556 that was developed from (and after) the 180 series Mini 14, the 180 series Mini 14 was a solid 2 MOA rifle right out of the box. Jeff Cooper even gave it positive reviews.

I’ve posted on this forum before about the changes from the 180 to 181 series with pictures showing the changes and much greater reciprocating mass of the later series. Those changes no doubt helped durability and reliability in the select fire AC-556, but they didn’t help accuracy in 181 and later Mini 14s. The post 180 series Mini 14s were commonly 3 to 5 MOA guns, with the faster 1-7 twist barrel examples being some of the worst with lower grade 55gr FMJ for reasons I won’t get into unless someone asks.

The average Colt manufactured 20” M16 style 1-12 twist AR-15 was capable of about 1.5 MOA 5 shot groups out of the box with decent factory 55 gr ammo. In comparison the average 1-10” twist 180 series Mini 14 was capable of about 2 MOA accuracy with the same ammo.

At that point the Colt AR-15 was arguably slightly more accurate than a Mini 14 (or the AR-180, which was also about 2 MOA). However both the Mini 14 and the AR-180 were about 25% less expensive than an AR-15. The choice then was a little more accuracy with an AR-15 that cost more, or a little less accuracy with a Mini-14 for less money - and looks and handling similar to the then very popular M1 carbine.

With the subsequent 181 series Mini 14 however accuracy went south and went farther south as the tooling aged. That’s the point where your statement where any AR-15 was more accurate than any Mini 14 was true. That was also the point where Ruger started losing a lot of market share to the AR-15 - especially as the M16s initial very negative reputation from its initial introduction in Vietnam began to fade.

The relative accuracy stayed that way until the Mini 14 was re-tooled with the 580 series, and then given a heavier tapered barrel mid 580 series. Those mid 580 series and subsequent Mini 14s are again solid 2 MOA rifles out of the box - on par with most non match AR-15s.

However, before that retooling happened, Colt’s patents expired and other companies started reverse engineering the AR-15, with SGW / Olympic Arms leading the charge. SGW made good stuff. However over the last few decades since there have been some very poor quality AR-15 clones produced, particularly in M4gery form. I’ve seen some of those that are only 5 MOA accurate on their best day.

From that later perspective, your statement about relative accuracy between AR-15s and Mini 14s also isn’t true.

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Below is a 187 series Mini 14 Ranch Rifle with a 1-10” twist barrel and a Colt manufactured M16A1 upper on an NDS-601 lower. Both of these, along with my similar configured 20” Colt SP1 and my 184 series Mini 14, shoot 5 shot 1.5” groups at 100 yards with both Black Hills Ammunition and Hornady 55 gr FMJ ammo.

To get the older 18x series Mini 14s to shoot like that you do need to do some work to them:
- a Choate flash hider (which adds muzzle weight and improves harmonics);
- a SOCOM style Accu Strut (which stiffens the barrel and helps harmonics); and
- a smaller gas port bushing (usually around .045” as opposed to the stock .080”, which cures the over gassed issue and reduces the problems of excessive slide velocity on vibration and accuracy.

A shock buffer also helps and the Tech Sights rear sight is a much better rear sight.

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That’s not quite correct, but there’s a grain of truth there.

Back before the earth cooled in the pre SGW days when:
- Colt was the only company that made the AR-15; *and*
- after Ruger modified the 180 series Mini 14 to the 181 series,
that was true, but the difference was small - small enough for most shooters to ignore.

Prior to the 181 series, which was extensively modified to reflect commonality with the select fire AC-556 that was developed from (and after) the 180 series Mini 14, the 180 series Mini 14 was a solid 2 MOA rifle right out of the box. Jeff Cooper even gave it positive reviews.

I’ve posted on this forum before about the changes from the 180 to 181 series with pictures showing the changes and much greater reciprocating mass of the later series. Those changes no doubt helped durability and reliability in the select fire AC-556, but they didn’t help accuracy in 181 and later Mini 14s. The post 180 series Mini 14s were commonly 3 to 5 MOA guns, with the faster 1-7 twist barrel examples being some of the worst with lower grade 55gr FMJ for reasons I won’t get into unless someone asks.

The average Colt manufactured 20” M16 style 1-12 twist AR-15 was capable of about 1.5 MOA 5 shot groups out of the box with decent factory 55 gr ammo. In comparison the average 1-10” twist 180 series Mini 14 was capable of about 2 MOA accuracy with the same ammo.

At that point the Colt AR-15 was arguably slightly more accurate than a Mini 14 (or the AR-180, which was also about 2 MOA). However both the Mini 14 and the AR-180 were about 25% less expensive than an AR-15. The choice then was a little more accuracy with an AR-15 that cost more, or a little less accuracy with a Mini-14 for less money - and looks and handling similar to the then very popular M1 carbine.

With the subsequent 181 series Mini 14 however accuracy went south and went farther south as the tooling aged. That’s the point where your statement where any AR-15 was more accurate than any Mini 14 was true. That was also the point where Ruger started losing a lot of market share to the AR-15 - especially as the M16s initial very negative reputation from its initial introduction in Vietnam began to fade.

The relative accuracy stayed that way until the Mini 14 was re-tooled with the 580 series, and then given a heavier tapered barrel mid 580 series. Those mid 580 series and subsequent Mini 14s are again solid 2 MOA rifles out of the box - on par with most non match AR-15s.

However, before that retooling happened, Colt’s patents expired and other companies started reverse engineering the AR-15, with SGW / Olympic Arms leading the charge. SGW made good stuff. However over the last few decades since there have been some very poor quality AR-15 clones produced, particularly in M4gery form. I’ve seen some of those that are only 5 MOA accurate on their best day.

From that later perspective, your statement about relative accuracy between AR-15s and Mini 14s also isn’t true.

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Below is a 187 series Mini 14 Ranch Rifle with a 1-10” twist barrel and a Colt manufactured M16A1 upper on an NDS-601 lower. Both of these, along with my similar configured 20” Colt SP1 and my 184 series Mini 14, shoot 5 shot 1.5” groups at 100 yards with both Black Hills Ammunition and Hornady 55 gr FMJ ammo.

To get the older 18x series Mini 14s to shoot like that you do need to do some work to them:
- a Choate flash hider (which adds muzzle weight and improves harmonics);
- a SOCOM style Accu Strut (which stiffens the barrel and helps harmonics); and
- a smaller gas port bushing (usually around .045” as opposed to the stock .080”, which cures the over gassed issue and reduces the problems of excessive slide velocity on vibration and accuracy.

A shock buffer also helps and the Tech Sights rear sight is a much better rear sight.

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NOPE. I had a mini 14 25 years ago and still have a Colt SP-1. The only way to get 2 MOA out of the old mini's was to staple the target 2 feet from the muzzle.
The rifle you show has an accustrut and scope installed. And maybe other parts/tunes we can't see. So basically what you're saying is buy a mini and install a couple of hundred dollars of add-on parts and it make it more accurate. But it still won't out group a plain cheap AR. Such as the old SP-1 you show.
 
I had a mini for years.

Factory 30 = hit or miss.
Factory 20 = bet your life.

Everything else = good luck!
 
I've got the 2008 NRA Ruger Mini-14 580 with heavy tapered 16.5" barrel.

I really like the factory 10rd mags (close to flush fit) backed up with 20rd mags. With a 1-4x20 scope it's really less than Tacticool
 
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Ah …. Stainless and wood is my favorite on a Mini 14.

And yes, stick with Ruger brand mags. Easy to find in all sizes.
 
That serial places it in roughly March of 1988. It’s also two years after the switch to 1-7” twist rifling so it’s virtually certain to have 1-7” twist.

Ruger used 1-10” twist until 1986 when it switched to 1-7”, and then switched to 1-9” twist in 1997.

That’s good news or bad news depending on what you want to shoot in it. The fast twist and tends to spin short 50-55 gr bullets too fast and that can have an adverse effect on accuracy, specially with cheap lower quality FMJ or bulk bullets. But it’ll stabilize longer 69-77 gr bullets just fine.


The 187 prefix also means it’s a ranch rifle and will have the integral scope mounts and the ranch rifle sight rather than the Mini 14 sight. If you want to shoot iron sights with it, Tech Sights makes a much better rear sight for it.

Out of the box accuracy tends to be in the 3-5 MOA range depending on the barrel and what you shoot in it. I posted before on accurizing them and I have yet to encounter one that won’t shoot 1.5 MOA with the full treatment.
My Mini has serial number 195-32257 Can you tell me when it was made and what barrel twist it has? Nevermind I looked it up and apparently it is anyones guess
 
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Samson Manufacturing sells a Ruger "factory" folder stock. It's also sold by Ruger. Copied off the old blueprints so to speak. I have a few, would be hard pressed to tell from original. Works on everything except the 180 series (due to their shorter lower GB) and including the Mini 30. Costs about $275.00. Some folks are pushing them as hard to find and up-charging, but they're readily available at cost.
Well ****! So much for my rare factory folding stock :(
I will say this, I am surprised it took so long as the RUger blueprint folder was tha absolutely best folder in my opinion. Just ask Hannibal. :D
 
My Mini has serial number 195-32257 Can you tell me when it was made and what barrel twist it has? Nevermind I looked it up and apparently it is anyones guess

Shipped in 1997 per Ruger’s web site.
RENE also shows 1997.

For collectors, the old original folding stocks are worth more than the new reproductions.
 
NOPE. I had a mini 14 25 years ago and still have a Colt SP-1. The only way to get 2 MOA out of the old mini's was to staple the target 2 feet from the muzzle.
The rifle you show has an accustrut and scope installed. And maybe other parts/tunes we can't see. So basically what you're saying is buy a mini and install a couple of hundred dollars of add-on parts and it make it more accurate. But it still won't out group a plain cheap AR. Such as the old SP-1 you show.

Ruger will never stop building the Mini because they sell everyone they make even after they jacked the price up beyond an entry level M4. The rifle has been in production for 48 years.

It's generally recognized that an M4 is more accurate. That doesn't seem to matter for a lot of people. It doesn't matter to me.

Not everyone cares about gas mileage either. How do I know? Because everyone doesn't drive a Hybrid vehicle. I don't. I know, it's hard to believe.
 
Sometimes you don't want to appear "Tacticooool" ....... mine as described above (post #33) is my "Gray Man"/ SHTF /Truck Gun setup. Slung muzzle down on my left shoulder it's blends into my body,muzzle is 18" off the ground and quick to shoulder! What's not to like....... OK not MOA at 100 yds... but can double tap inside 4"... got a scoped CZ 527 bolt gun for 1 MOA!!!!!
 
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