9mm revolvers - why.

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I was googling something the other day and a comment in a S&W forum thread popped up. The poster was stating he had no idea why anyone would want a 9mm revolver.

He was apparently offended that someone might choose a revolver when there were so many 9mm semi auto pistol options available.

Given that it was an off topic comment in a Jurassic thread, I figured I’d post my thoughts in a new thread rather than resurrect a dinosaur.

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I own three revolvers in 9mm (as well as a S&W 625 in .45 ACP). They include an L frame sized Ruger Speed Six, a K framed sized Alpha-Proj AL-9 and a J frame sized Taurus 905.

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I see a few advantages:

9mm ballistics compared to .38 +P and .357 Magnum

A 125 gr .38 +P load in a 3” revolver will produce about 1025-1050 fps. In comparison a 124 gr 9mm will produce about 1150 fps. That’s still about 150-200 fps less than a 125 gr .357 Magnum, but the 9mm is a significant 100 fps more than the .38 +P but with a lot less recoil than a .357 Magnum.

In a J frame sized pistol, like the Taurus 905 below, it can make a big difference, being a lot more controllable than a .357 Mag in a S&W Model 60.

Reloads with moon clips versus speed loaders

From time to time I like to shoot the current FBI qualification course with a revolver.

Shooting my 3” 686 or 3” Model 13 and either .38 Special or .357 Mag ammo, I generally score 49/50. I drop one point on the 7 yard line where you have to start with 4 rounds in the gun, from the ready fire 4 rounds, conduct and emergency reload, and then fire 4 more rounds, all in 8 seconds as it’s not quite enough time to get off that last round before the target turns.

However, shooting a 9mm revolver, using moon clips for the reload, it’s enough faster that it lets me consistently make that 8th shot in that stage.

Moon clips are more compact to carry and more reliable than any speed loader. With round nose bullets they almost fly in the cylinder by themselves, and even with hollow points they are quicker to align than hollow points from a speed loader.

You also will never have a case get stuck under the ejector star with a moon clip.

Ammo availability and commonality

In the ammo shortages that have unfortunately become both periodic and long lasting, 9mm Luger is almost always available while .38 Special, .38 +P and .357 Mag can become hard to find.

If you prefer carrying a revolver, having the option to use 9mm Luger is a big plus when .38 and .357 are hard to find.

From time to time I’ll carry a 9mm pistol as my primary and a J frame sized 905 as a back up and it lets me use the same load in both my primary and back up handguns.

Even if you carry a 9mm pistol exclusively, rather than a revolver, if your significant other carries a revolver, the ability to use common ammo is a big plus. As noted above, the recoil is also manageable, while offering better performance than .38 or .38+P.
 
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Downside: You have to worry about bullet pull and bent clips.

More upside: You can usually carry 2 filled moon clips where 1 speedloader would fit.
 
Well,I have a 547 and like it. MY only issue is a 3” 9mm K frame with wood grips kicks harder to me than a 2” J frame 357, IME!

Someday though, I will have a medium size 4” moon clip fed revolver in 45 auto or 9mm.
Well in my case I have a S&W 547. Most times you will be the only one there with that gun. Most all the other 9MM guns have plenty of look alikes!:D

You and I are in a small group shooting 547’s I’ll bet! There is a nice rub on Gunbroker right now for $2200….omg:eek:
 
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I've had a handful of 9mm and .45ACP 5/6 guns. I loved the concept, but never really enjoyed the execution. I hated loading/unloading the moon clips, found them fragile, and found them bulky in the pocket compared to a speed strip or handgun magazine.

The ammo availability point is well taken, and while I never ran out of revolver ammo during the last shortage, I certainly could have. That said, I also found that I enjoyed shooting my 9mm revolvers much less than their .38/357 counterparts due to the hassle of moon clips, and less than the 9mm autos I had already. If I'd ran dry on revolver ammo, I'd wind up just shooting the autos anyways. As far as defensive/carry stuff, I found no benefit to one of the 9mm revolvers I had over an equivalent auto.

I know there were some revolvers made to chamber 9mm without a moon clip, and if one pops up in my budget when I'm shopping I'd be happy to have one of them, but I think the moonclips just aren't for me.
 
However, shooting a 9mm revolver, using moon clips for the reload, it’s enough faster that it lets me consistently make that 8th shot in that stage.

Moon clips are more compact to carry and more reliable than any speed loader. With round nose bullets they almost fly in the cylinder by themselves, and even with hollow points they are quicker to align than hollow points from a speed loader.

How sturdy are the 5 shot moonclips for the Taurus? I have a 640-1 Pro and the clips are thin enough to be fairly flexible. I carry with the rounds in a clip for quick extraction, but I carry speed strips for reload. It might just be a 9mm vs .38/.357 issue, but I’m worried about bending or warping the clips while carrying. The clips for my Model 610, Model 625, Model 1917, and my 10mm SRH are all thick and inflexible.
 
How sturdy are the 5 shot moonclips for the Taurus? I have a 640-1 Pro and the clips are thin enough to be fairly flexible. I carry with the rounds in a clip for quick extraction, but I carry speed strips for reload. It might just be a 9mm vs .38/.357 issue, but I’m worried about bending or warping the clips while carrying. The clips for my Model 610, Model 625, Model 1917, and my 10mm SRH are all thick and inflexible.

I’ve never liked any of the moon clips that came with any of the three revolvers above. They aware thick enough, but the steel wasn’t springy enough.

The Taurus clips however were an order of magnitude worse. When I first bought it, the cylinder was poorLy cut and while it would chamber and fire individual 9mm cartridges (I.e. the chambers were properly head spaced) when you tried to load a moon clip of cartridges the cylinder wouldn’t fit in the frame as the cylinder wasn’t cut deep enough to accommodate the thick moon clips.

I took it back to the gun shop and they gave me the option of waiting for it to come back from Taurus or a refund. I took the refund, but then bought it again about 4 months later when it came back. It was advantageous to buy it as it was old stock and was covered by the lifetime warranty.

That’s par for the course for Taurus. They make good guns, but their QA is bad and if you aren’t lucky you’ll have to send it back after you do the final QA checks on it.

The Taurus moon clips however were still too soft and bendy so I bought ten TK Customs moon clips for it.

In retrospect the TK Customs are enough thinner that I think they would have worked in it originally.

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The TK Customs clips are thinner in general, but well made and I’ve never bent one out of shape.
 
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Every rationale for a 9mm revolver is defeated by 158gr Buffalo Bore 38spl +P SWCHP GC or 357, a half decent press, a decent revolver smith to cut a cylinder for moon clips. Except “because they made it.”

I have a 9mm S&W, I like it.
 
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I've had a handful of 9mm and .45ACP 5/6 guns. I loved the concept, but never really enjoyed the execution. I hated loading/unloading the moon clips, found them fragile, and found them bulky in the pocket compared to a speed strip or handgun magazine.

I bought a moon clip loader and then turned extra adapters for different sized moon clips on my lathe. It makes loading Them faster and easier. That said, the TK Customs clips are not hard to load by hand.

I also turned a few moon clip unloaders as well. They are not hard to make out of steel tube. Mill or cut away about 3/4 of the way around it about 1/8” deep leaving a tab to pry against the moon clip, and then knurl 3/4” or near the other end for grip and cold blue it. I make them long enough to accommodate however many unfired rounds are in a clip and slide a rubber cap on the end. It lets you unload a full clip and have all 5 or 6 rounds contained in the tube when you are done.
 
In case you haven't shot USPSA revolver, ICORE, or a revolver in steel challenge lately, the 8-shot 9mm revolvers dominate. The OKC ICORE had most of their stages set so a 6-shot revolver had no chance to even finish in the par time.
 
Had a S&W 940 for a while. Also had a Desert Eagle (actually two at two different times - and a model 25 'model of 1955' - and a model 625 'model of 1988'- couldn't seem to pass up a "good deal" :rolleyes:). . . for a while. Not trying to be killjoy, but I guess I'm just too dull. After the novelty wore off I examined the practical reasons why I should keep such and sent them on to the next 'curious enthusiast' to enjoy.

I understand the enthusiasm for such. I first caught the bug for a revolver chambered for a semi-auto round shooting with old school 'bullseye' shooters. Seemed like a good idea at the time. But my interests seemed to run in other directions. I saw, I lusted, I acquired, I played, and then . . . . decided they weren't for me. To each his own. Glad for the first hand experience. Variety - the spice of life !
 
OK, over the top and pricey but my Korth has .357 and 9 mm cylinders and doesn't need moon clips!

Why? Because they made it.
 

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