PI AR-10 .308 Rifle.

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My Grandson purchased a PI AR-10 .308 Rifle and Winchester White Box .308 ammo. The Winchester ammo did not perform in this rifle (ftf,fte, ftl). I gave Him some of my reloads which works great and also some factory Federal .308 which works great. Is Winchester White Box ammo "Seconds" ?
 
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If the White Box ammo M number starts with "X" or "MX" that means it doesn't meet our military specs. (Usually short on velocity or not accurate enough!!) That won't matter to a single shot or bolt action, but many semi-autos won't eat it!

Cabela's had a mountain 308/7.62 NATO during the shortage.

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What impressed me was how this rifle throws the empty brass right and forward for a distance of 15 yards, plus denting the case mouth big time.
 
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Without knowing what the actual rifle is and what gas system it uses, it is very difficult to understand what is going on. Is the rifle an AR-10 clone? Is it an AK action in .308? Is it a CETME or clone thereof?


15 yard case throw tells me it is drastically over gassed with the ammo that works. That the Winchester would not work suggests that the powder has the wrong pressure curve for the gas system. Been there, done that with a FAL.
 
What kind and type of rifle is it?
That’s a pretty critical piece of information to leave out.
 
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PTR .308 PTR 91 .308 Win / 7.62 NATO Roller Delayed Blowback Rifles For Sale

PTR is a HK-91 cloner, and has a different gas action (roller block) than most. Ime with a hk-91, it is very hard on brass by starting the extraction before case finishes from full power expansion. And it throws the brass. Never tried light loads in it, but there are adjustments to the roller action if it gets out of spec.

Am not familiar with Win white box 308, but they may not be loaded to military spec (velocitys).

308 Ballistics Charts For Major Ammo Manufacturers

https://www.ammunitiontogo.com/lodge/308-ballistics/
 
I'm still a bit confused on the type of weapon. An AR-10 uses the same Stoner gas system as an AR-15. The HK 91 uses roller delayed blowback with no gas system.

If the pressure curve of the .308 Winchester is too long, failures to eject and subsequent failures to feed in many semi-auto guns may result. The problem is that a long pressure curve (slowish powder) means that the case walls are still gripping the inside of the chamber when the action is trying to open.

In a FAL this can ultimately lead to the extractor ripping the heads off cases, usually after the owner has adjusted the gas system to send more gas to the piston to cure with anemic ejection. The fix is to reduce the gas to the action, allowing the pressure in the case to drop before attempting extraction. This is totally counter-intuitive to most as ejection will still be anemic, but at least the case head and rim will be intact.

With a roller delayed action, the chances are that too long a pressure curve may result in poor/no extraction/ejection.

The rifle throwing the working empties 15 yards is typical for the HK-91/CETME action. There should be stripes down the length of the cases created by the flutes machined in the chamber to help extraction.
 

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