MP 15-22, a good buy?

[LifeInPa]

I don't think so.

I would like to ask you a question now.

What in the heck did you do to your bolt?

That thing looks all beat to holy shell.

When you get failure to eject or feed issues, do you just keep pulling back the charger handle and let the bolt slam forward on jammed rounds ..... repeatedly, .... or something?

Well nothing out of the ordinary except fire about 100 rounds (Federal Stinger) through it before returning it. When I get jams I drop the magazine, pull back on the charging handle once, and then let go. I will be cleaning it today before I head out. I am just curious if the fowling is from me or S&W test firing it? Guess we will never know.

Yeah, because he sent it to them in that condition. He did not say S&W did that to his bolt face.

He did say, S&W sent his gun back dirty, but to his credit, he made it clear that therefore he knew they had test fired it.

Imagine if S&W sent them back clean. Then some guys guys would say .... "They probably didn't even test fire it!" whine blubber slobber waaaah .... etc.

That makes sense, maybe they sent it back in this condition to show the rifle was tested? However all this confusion could be avoided if they left a note with my gun describing what they did, what they found, and how they fixed it.

Yes, that is the extractor you are looking at on the left side of the bolt as you face the picture. That piece is what broke off my 15-22.

The ejector can be seen when you remove the bolt and look from the magazine well up into the gun. If this ejector gets out of alignment it can start the failure to properly eject. Then stove pipes.....

Oh, you mean that long little plastic piece? I have to take my gun apart when I clean it and see if I can find it.

 

[c_jit]

I think the ejector is the thin long piece with hook that sticking out from barrel/chamber end.
photocourtesy of gunblast.com

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

The rear sight is machined so sloppy that it actaually sets at a angle from the barrel,cocked to the left..anyone else notice this on thiers...just appears to be low quality ....

The sight on the 15-22 look like S&W went shopping at the UTG parts bin to build their rifle.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

SW says theres been no recall or issues with the gun...as for loading the mags...I have loaded lots of mags ...always tap on my hand or bench to seat and align....Do not hold on to the mag or rest the mag on the bench when shooting....DONT know what more to do!!!

Hahahaha... "No issues" That's the same wording S&W replied with to me when I e-mailed them about specific issues that multiple owners were reporting.

I agree with you about mag loading. There should be no need to be a physics major to load a mag. Even after rifles are being returned from S&W -up to spec- there are still problems with rounds jamming in the magazine. Another "no issues"...

In any event, I get a handful of jams out of a 550 box. I can live with that. For those who can't, I agree with you, dump it and move on to something else.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

I don't think so.

I would like to ask you a question now.

What in the heck did you do to your bolt?

That thing looks all beat to holy shell.

When you get failure to eject or feed issues, do you just keep pulling back the charger handle and let the bolt slam forward on jammed rounds ..... repeatedly, .... or something?

The scraped build-up on the right of the bolt (left side looking at your screen) is exactly where a spent casing will get caught and slammed into the breech; FTE. The left side of the bolt looks cleaner because the spent gasses do not pass in that direction. In other words.... looks just like what you'd expect it to look like.

 

[LifeInPa]

Visited the range today, and the news is good.

Today I took the rifle out and put 450 rounds through it. It worked beautifully. The only two minor problems I had was one bullet getting stuck in the bore which was quickly cleared, and the gun started jamming when my father used it. The people in charge saw how he was firing it and it was jamming because of user error. He was firing the gun from a sitting position and putting pressure on the magazine, causing the ammo not to feed properly. Due to this we will likely invest in sand bags in the near future, or maybe a bi-pod.

So now the reliability is where it should be, with just one failure caused by a bad round. Big difference we noticed while firing the rifle this time was with how much force the casings were being expelled from the rifle. So much in fact the casings were ricocheting off the wall next to us and smacking us in the head. Good thing we had eye protection, one of the casings hit me in my brow. My father got one in his hair and his neck, the casings were hot but we didn't get burned. I know now S&W fixed or modified this rifle because I don't remember the rifle doing this before which might have been why the casings got caught in the bolt.

On accuracy this rifle is just great. Me and my father are just novices this being only the second rifle we ever operated but we were tearing up the targets from 20 and 30 yards. All shots were in the target area with most near to the center or dead on. This was done with the standard iron sights. We adjusted the rear sights up one more notch and we noticed improved accuracy.

After the day was over we ran into one of my fathers friends who was talking to the president of the local gun club. He was interested in our firearm since he wanted to purchase one. I told him the whole story and how I was impressed with the rifle after getting it back from S&W. Now he wants us to join the club so he can get a chance to fire our sweet rifle.

So long story short I am very happy with this rifle now. Due to the good experiences with this rifle and the invitation to this local gun club we have decided to buy another S&W product probably in the next month. The M&P .40 pistol. I was admiring it from reviews I read online and I really wanted it when I saw it in Gander Mountain. So with luck I will be buying it next month.

I think the ejector is the thin long piece with hook that sticking out from barrel/chamber end.
photocourtesy of gunblast.com

Oh I am familiar with that piece, nothing really looked like it was changed or adjusted.

 

[460v LAC du FLAMBEAU]

Thanks for the informative summary...glad it is working!

 

[LifeInPa]

No problem 460v, thank you and the other members of this website for all the support and information.

 

[Lynn]

Well nothing out of the ordinary except fire about 100 rounds (Federal Stinger) through it before returning it. When I get jams I drop the magazine, pull back on the charging handle once, and then let go. I will be cleaning it today before I head out. I am just curious if the fowling is from me or S&W test firing it? Guess we will never know.

It may be that your bolt return spring is just a bit stronger than mine. I put over 120 rounds through mine, before it began have fte, and my bolt does not have any dings or compression marks.

Your rifle is working perfectly now though, and so there you go. I am happy for you.

 

[LifeInPa]

It may be that your bolt return spring is just a bit stronger than mine. I put over 120 rounds through mine, before it began have fte, and my bolt does not have any dings or compression marks.

Your rifle is working perfectly now though, and so there you go. I am happy for you.

Thanks, I couldn't be happier right now. Since S&W did such a great job I can guarantee they will have business from me in the future.

Whats the status of your rifle btw?

 

[Lynn]

Nothing has changed since my range performance report. I have not yet been back to fire it again. I hope to go soon though. I love to fire my 15-22.

 

[LifeInPa]

Nothing has changed since my range performance report. I have not yet been back to fire it again. I hope to go soon though. I love to fire my 15-22.

I was reading your thread and saw that you had some problems with your 15-22. However it seems to have worked itself out.

 

[32hibo]

Give me a break

WORK itself out....OMG!!!

 

[Lynn]

I was reading your thread and saw that you had some problems with your 15-22. However it seems to have worked itself out.

Of course. It makes no sense to panic when a brand new gun that is not even broken in yet, and is also dirty as all get out, begins to have a few f2l and f2e incidents. I got a few f2l and f2e .... after firing over a hundred rounds as fast as I could pull the trigger .... because the gun by then needed cleaning. This is far from unexpected with a brand new 22lr autoloader.

I am amazed at how some people here have even lost their marbles and gone right off the deep end. If S&W was not standing behind their product, as they for darn tootin sure are, then maybe I could see it. But holy cow! Some of these people, either have to be trolling here for a threatened competitor, or they are just plain mentally unstable or something.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Of course. It makes no sense to panic when a brand new gun that is not even broken in yet, and is also dirty as all get out, begins to have a few f2l and f2e incidents. I got a few f2l and f2e .... after firing over a hundred rounds as fast as I could pull the trigger .... because the gun by then needed cleaning. This is far from unexpected with a brand new 22lr autoloader.

I am amazed at how some people here have even lost their marbles and gone right off the deep end. If S&W was not standing behind their product, as they for darn tootin sure are, then maybe I could see it. But holy cow! Some of these people, either have to be trolling here for a threatened competitor, or they are just plain mentally unstable or something.

In general, I tend to agree. There have been some here that have obvioulsy lost sleep while worrying about what condition their rifle would return from S&W. Now there seems to be some bashers here too. But I think all that's to be expected when a manufacturer puts out a troubled product. Not everyone will have a shoulder-shrugging attitude toward a $500 toy.

As far as .22s needing to be broken in.... did you mean that parts need to be 'broken off', like feed ramps and extractors, before they work correctly? (Just teasing)

By the way.... welcome aboard Lynn.

 

[LifeInPa]

Of course. It makes no sense to panic when a brand new gun that is not even broken in yet, and is also dirty as all get out, begins to have a few f2l and f2e incidents. I got a few f2l and f2e .... after firing over a hundred rounds as fast as I could pull the trigger .... because the gun by then needed cleaning. This is far from unexpected with a brand new 22lr autoloader.

I am amazed at how some people here have even lost their marbles and gone right off the deep end. If S&W was not standing behind their product, as they for darn tootin sure are, then maybe I could see it. But holy cow! Some of these people, either have to be trolling here for a threatened competitor, or they are just plain mentally unstable or something.

Some people are just impatient. I was disappointed when my 15-22 failed me, but S&W did well in fixing the problems. Got it back to me in 2 weeks and gave me a free mag for my troubles.

 

[Lynn]

Some people are just impatient. I was disappointed when my 15-22 failed me, but S&W did well in fixing the problems. Got it back to me in 2 weeks and gave me a free mag for my troubles.

It pays, to be a grownup about it, doesn't it?

 

[LifeInPa]

It pays, to be a grownup about it, doesn't it?

If this happened to me 2-3 years ago I probably would have thrown a tantrum.

However I did some growing up in the past few years.

 

[TxShooter2k9]

was i happy about having to send my first S&W product ive ever got back 4 days after i got it....no, not at all. But i sent it back, they fixed the issue, and i love the gun. Just pays to be patient as others said.

 

[LifeInPa]

was i happy about having to send my first S&W product ive ever got back 4 days after i got it....no, not at all. But i sent it back, they fixed the issue, and i love the gun. Just pays to be patient as others said.

I think the problem is with the uncertainty. When will I get the rifle back? Will it work when I get back? Will I have to go through this whole process a second time? Thats why these people get so upset.