CCW Reciprocity

[P&R Fan]

My friend Toyman has a recent thread about Iowa passing "shall issue" legislation and recognizing other states permits. Looks like a done deal, but I want to warn you to make sure before you carry in another state. This past weekend a friend of mine went to St. Louis. He has an Iowa CCW and had read on the Iowacarry web site that Missouri honors Iowa permits. I said I wanted to double check so I called the Missouri Highway Patrol and they confirmed this. However they said some cities may have stricter rules. When called, the St. Louis PD said Missouri DOES NOT honor Iowa permits. When told the Highway Patrol said they do, they said to ask the Sheriffs Dept. The Sheriffs Dept also said Missouri DOES NOT honor Iowa permits. I called the Missouri Attorney Generals Office and they said yes, Missouri honors Iowa permits. I advised them to inform St. Louis PD and the Sheriffs Dept., they apologized for the confusion.
I can only imagine what my friend would have gone through if an LEO in one of these depts. had found out he was carrying. Probably a night in jail and then an OOPS, MY BAD in the morning. My point is MAKE SURE before you carry. I certainly don't want this to sound in any way critical of Law enforcement, or even the depts. I've mentioned, but sometimes the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing. When that happens it helps to know the facts, and the law.

 

[mlk18]

I have even seen LEO's get into hot water in other states (detained and even arrested) for carrying concealed because law enforcement agencies or officers did not understand The Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act (HR218). If cops will arrest cops out of "ignorance of the law" imagine what they will do to permit holders. It pays to read, research and verify. I would even consider getting a dated letter from the AG's office that you could show along with your permit.

 

[Oaklands]

You could probably print the listing from your state's website as to which states they reciprocate with. Have it in your car just in case.

 

[eaglebeaver]

Mr. Oaklands: better yet print from THE STATE YOU ARE VISITING's website the statement of recriprocity.

 

[oldman45]

I strongly agree with the above but would like to take it a little futher down the road.

You best know the law where you are visiting. Some states do not allow printing, some call a hint of a gun brandishing. My state will not allow a CCW holder to carry at a parade for which a parade permit was issued. At least one state I know of forbids carrying on government owned property.

While carrying concealed, ignornace of the law is not an excuse.

 

[oldman45]

My friend Toyman has a recent thread about Iowa passing "shall issue" legislation and recognizing other states permits. Looks like a done deal, but I want to warn you to make sure before you carry in another state. This past weekend a friend of mine went to St. Louis. He has an Iowa CCW and had read on the Iowacarry web site that Missouri honors Iowa permits. I said I wanted to double check so I called the Missouri Highway Patrol and they confirmed this. However they said some cities may have stricter rules. When called, the St. Louis PD said Missouri DOES NOT honor Iowa permits. When told the Highway Patrol said they do, they said to ask the Sheriffs Dept. The Sheriffs Dept also said Missouri DOES NOT honor Iowa permits. I called the Missouri Attorney Generals Office and they said yes, Missouri honors Iowa permits. I advised them to inform St. Louis PD and the Sheriffs Dept., they apologized for the confusion.
When that happens it helps to know the facts, and the law.

According to Missouri Attorney General's Office :: Concealed Weapons :: Concealed Carry Reciprocity

MO does NOT recognized Iowa permits. And that is from the MO Atty Gen website. This simply due to the State of Iowa not having a state wide carry permit in place.

 

[P&R Fan]

If you look at that web site it is referring to the states that don't honor Missouri's permits, not the other way around. As I stated in my post, both the State Patrol and Attorney Generals Office advised me that Missouri DOES honor Iowa permits, although in fairness to all parties it is a fairly recent development. After legislation passed yesterday, Iowa will likely honor other states permits soon. We'll keep you posted.

 

[44forever]

Actually, I believe the Missouri law honors

EVERYBODY's permits. I may be wrong, but I think they even accept city/county permits where such are issued. For some time after the Missouri CCW law was passed, St. Louis was saying they wouldn't honor Missouri's permits. It was explained to them by the courts that they didn't have a choice.

 

[Moonman]

When traveling you should have a CURRENT list of laws in all the states you will be traveling through. (printed out and in a folder) You should know each states laws. New Jersey had at one time a Felony charge for non LEO persons carrying Jacketed Hollow Points or so a teaching retired Ohio police chief told me. (when John Corizine was Govenor of New Jersey????) Some people think if they have a CCW they can just travel across the country and some even try to enter Canada, what a mess that can turn into.

 

[jj2am44]

If you look at that web site it is referring to the states that don't honor Missouri's permits, not the other way around. As I stated in my post, both the State Patrol and Attorney Generals Office advised me that Missouri DOES honor Iowa permits, although in fairness to all parties it is a fairly recent development. After legislation passed yesterday, Iowa will likely honor other states permits soon. We'll keep you posted.

Please do. I need Iowa. My Pa., Utah, and New Hampshire do not.

 

[PDL]

Re the HP in NJ, HPs are only allowed in the box or at the range. You can't even have them loaded in a weapon in your own house. As with anything else, laws generally don't apply to NJ LEOs.

 

[writerinmo]

St Louis has long been a hotbed of illegal activity, from getting kickbacks from the towing company that was illegally towing, to on-duty police officers going from business to business browbeating the owners into posting "No Firearms Allowed" signs, paid for and furnished by the city. I go there as seldom as possible, but I do CCW when I go, and my attorney is on speed dial.

 

[stmry]

P@R Fan originally posted that he didn't want to appear critical of the police he spoke to. I think he was being overly polite and considerate. I personally think it is pathetic the cops are not professional enough to know what the laws are in their jurisdiction.
I'm a high school teacher, and i need to know all the special ed laws along with all the general laws regarding public education. I'm not allowed to say, "My Bad" sorry i didn't know."
The average cop up my way is an idiot. They don't even make an attempt to appear professional.
Its very sad.

 

[DAVEB47]

Being an Iowa CCW holder I think its great what they are doing with the new law. I'd like to see a more uniform reciprocity in all states as far as CCW's go, while each state retaining its own soverienty. Maybe someday they will think we are mature enough to have firecrackers and bottlerockets on the 4th of July. I think I've gotten all the mileage I can with my kids with sparklers and snakes. LOL

 

[Oaklands]

It is amazing how the laws vary from state to state. I am in TN and they are working on passing the law again to be able to carry into a restaurant serving alcohol. You can't have a drink yourself but it is a big improvement.

I was talking to some guys on the Pennsylvania forum and they said you could stagger out while carrying a gun. Of course they didn't recommend it but you could have a couple of drinks and not have to worry.

I will be happy not having to leave my gun in the truck while going out for lunch.

 

[Gary Slider]

PDL, As per HP in your Home.

Provided certain conditions are met, a sportsman may transport and use hollow point ammunition. There are
no restrictions preventing a sportsman from keeping such ammunition at his home.
N.J.S.A 2C:39-3f(1) limits the possession of hollow nose ammunition. However, there is a general exception
that allows for the purchase of this ammunition but restricts the possession of it to specified locations. This
exception provides that:
(2) Nothing is sub section f (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his
dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the
place of purchase to said dwelling or land . . . [N.J.S.A 26:39-3g (2)].
Thus a person may purchase this ammunition and keep it within the confines of his property. Sub section f
(1) further exempts from the prohibited possession of hollow nose ammunition "persons engaged in activities
pursuant to N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f. . . ."
N.J.S.A 26:39-3f. (1).
Activities contained in N.J.S.A 26:39-6f. can be broken down as follows:
1.A member of a rifle or pistol club organized under rules of the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle
Practice and which filed its charter with the State Police;
2.A person engaged in hunting or target practice with a firearm legal for hunting in this State;
3.A person going directly to a target range, and;
4.A person going directly to an authorized place for "practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting
exhibitions.

 

[Pasifikawv]

I'll be making a trip another state that has reciprocity with my home state. It is not an immediate neighbor and a state I don't visit regularly. So I took the time to review that State's CCW laws. As a visitor, that is my responsibility and I must honor the laws of that state - even if they are more cumbersome than those of my home state.

Additionally, I have printed and will be taking with me for reference purposes the actual reciprocity agreement between the states made available by my home state's AG, a synopsis of the state's firearms laws, NRA-ILA reciprocity info card, and a print out of CCW "do's and don't's" from the Sheriff's office in the area where I will be visiting.

I have tried to do my homework as a responsible CCWer. I hope the enforcers in the state have done theirs and there is no issue like that described in St. Louis.

 

[PDL]

PDL, As per HP in your Home.

Provided certain conditions are met, a sportsman may transport and use hollow point ammunition. There are
no restrictions preventing a sportsman from keeping such ammunition at his home.
N.J.S.A 2C:39-3f(1) limits the possession of hollow nose ammunition. However, there is a general exception
that allows for the purchase of this ammunition but restricts the possession of it to specified locations. This
exception provides that:
(2) Nothing is sub section f (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his
dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the
place of purchase to said dwelling or land . . . [N.J.S.A 26:39-3g (2)].
Thus a person may purchase this ammunition and keep it within the confines of his property. Sub section f
(1) further exempts from the prohibited possession of hollow nose ammunition "persons engaged in activities
pursuant to N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f. . . ."
N.J.S.A 26:39-3f. (1).
Activities contained in N.J.S.A 26:39-6f. can be broken down as follows:
1.A member of a rifle or pistol club organized under rules of the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle
Practice and which filed its charter with the State Police;
2.A person engaged in hunting or target practice with a firearm legal for hunting in this State;
3.A person going directly to a target range, and;
4.A person going directly to an authorized place for "practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting
exhibitions.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. That's what I said, in the box or at the range. I didn't think I had to point out, you could carry them 'in the box' from the store to home and etc. You can keep them in your home, but they can't be in a weapon anywhere except at the range.

 

[Gary Slider]

PDL,

I posted that to point out that you can have them in your home and can have them loaded in a firearm at home. Your post stated that you couldn't have them loaded up at home. It is just out side your property that you can't have them loaded up.

 

[PDL]

PDL,

I posted that to point out that you can have them in your home and can have them loaded in a firearm at home. Your post stated that you couldn't have them loaded up at home. It is just out side your property that you can't have them loaded up.

Gary,
I have to disagree with you on having HPs loaded in your home. You don't want to be in NJ with HPs loaded in a weapon, except at the range.
The statutes say you can have the ammo, it doesn't say loaded in a weapon. And the 'on your property' is also in question. If you've got them in your home, that's one thing. If you're walking around the yard with HPs loaded in a pistol, you could easily get a free ride in the local cop car.

Edit to add ==> Sorry, don't want to hijack the OP's thread. so I'll not keep on.