.45 ACP Kills grizzly Bear

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I don't see a problem with them investigating further. After all, it's just the backpacker's word that his story is true . . . and people do lie.
 
Leave it to the media to neglect the most important parts of the story.

What was he carrying? 1911? XD? Glop? What holds 9 rounds, a 1911 with an 8 rd mag?

Open carry or concealed?

And finally, most important, what loads? I'm betting hardball;).

Also, I agree with what one of the comments after the article says: I'd like to buy that man a cold beverage of his choice.
 
The article doesn't say "45 acp". Could have been an Automag in 45 WinMag... That would be WAY cooler!
 
Come on. I'm a retired cop, and I understand that a basic inquiry must be made. But if you look at the story, one person commented that the wounds had all better be to the front of the animal. So what if the bear turned off after being struck, or turned his attention to the hiker's companion, while the shooter is firing? They're going to arrest the guy? I once shot a charging pitbull. ALL of the hits were in the side. Know why? The animal began to turn as I fired, and I was turning as well to avoid him. I sure couldn't tell you where my shots were hitting. When it was over, he was dead an my partner and I were OK. And why is it legal to carry in the park, and not fire? I'm sure they meant target practice is prohibited, but this sure wasn't target practice. Do you know anyone who would shoot a grizzly with a handgun while not in an elevated, safe location?
 
"It's coming right for us!!!"

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kbm6893 said:
OK. And why is it legal to carry in the park, and not fire?
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Because this country is insane and the politicians that make the laws are insane. I guess you're supposed to take the bullets out of the gun and throw them at the grizzly all the while yelling "Shoo".:(
 
redlevel said:
Leave it to the media to neglect the most important parts of the story.
What was he carrying? 1911? XD? Glop? What holds 9 rounds, a 1911 with an 8 rd mag?
Open carry or concealed?
And finally, most important, what loads? I'm betting hardball.
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Ha. You're so right. We need to be fed.
 
I'm not commenting on the circumstances of this case, however it's being investigated because the killing of any griz, (a federal endangered species) requires an inquiry to see if the killing was justified. Griz are killed in Montana every year, guys shooting them thinking they're black bears, ranchers kill them for attacking livestock, several are killed every hunting season in reported self defense shootings, and some guys shoot them out of pure damn meaness and let them rot. One of the biggest grizzlys ever studied was shot and left to rot last year for no discernable reason, matter of fact they found several like that last year.

They have to make sure the killing wasn't an over reaction, people shooting when it really wasn't necessary, griz will bluff charge and challenge you, and of course, sometimes they charge for real.

I'm glad the hikers are ok, but also hope the griz didn't die for no reason, I like having them around, means you still live in a wild state,

Take care...
 
How do you tell a bluff charge from a real one? I'm going to want to start shooting at a distance that gives me enough time to empty the gun using the best aimed shots I can. If the bear's 'bluff charge' ends inside that distance, I'm not waiting.

But, we don't have any bears here, so it's an academic problem for me.
 
In the fabulous book about the Lewis & Clark Expedition "Undaunted Courage"... the expedition members scoffed at the Indian's stories of the great "invincible" bears up river.

They didn't laugh so much the first time that the encountered their first grizzly.

Their weapons had little initial effect on the bears and they finally learned to uses multiple volley's in combination with beating feet.

They became true believers in these bears.
 
Somebody got real lucky.

The authorities always investigate bear killings there. As the other poster said, they do so to determine if the shooting was justified.

Unfortunately many of the bear killings there could have been avoided. If you startle a bear, he will either charge or turn and run. You never know which.

As a kid growing up in Alaska, my mother would drop pebbles in an empty pop can and then tie it to my belt. Made a hell of a racket. We never had a problem.
 
bobcat said:
I'm not commenting on the circumstances of this case, however it's being investigated because the killing of any griz, (a federal endangered species) requires an inquiry to see if the killing was justified. Griz are killed in Montana every year, guys shooting them thinking they're black bears, ranchers kill them for attacking livestock, several are killed every hunting season in reported self defense shootings, and some guys shoot them out of pure damn meaness and let them rot. One of the biggest grizzlys ever studied was shot and left to rot last year for no discernable reason, matter of fact they found several like that last year.

They have to make sure the killing wasn't an over reaction, people shooting when it really wasn't necessary, griz will bluff charge and challenge you, and of course, sometimes they charge for real.

I'm glad the hikers are ok, but also hope the griz didn't die for no reason, I like having them around, means you still live in a wild state,

Take care...
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So how do you tell the difference beyween a bluff charge and a real one? I mean, if a guy pulls an unloaded gun on you, should you wait until he fires, making sure it is real, before returning fire?

I had a black bear stroll past me in my yard a few weeks back. I was playing with my three year old son. I am glad it kept moving Since then, I slip a .357 into my belt when we are outside. I surely do not want to kill an animal (I swerve to avoid squirrels, and I have a pesky groundhog in my backyard that I am hoping decides to move on it's own since I don't want to kill it), but if I even THINK that bear is a threat to me or my son, I will shoot it. And if some of the rounds happen to hit it in the side, since I surely will be moving to the side if it charges, and the bear will probably be moving as well when it feels the shots hit, I'll take my chances with Ranger Rick and his "investigative skills". What are they going to do, interview the dead bear? If I am in my house shooting from my porch, or if the shots come downwards from my elevated deck, then I will accept that I was wrong and take the penalty (but I would never shoot a bear in those situations). if we're both at ground level, in less than 15 yards from each other? I am not taking the chance.
 
kbm6893 said:
I had a black bear stroll past me in my yard a few weeks back. I was playing with my three year old son. I am glad it kept moving Since then, I slip a .357 into my belt when we are outside. QUOTE]

kbm6893,
Sir you have it right IMO...Once I had a blackie convince me he was a fixin' to try to run up my britches leg from about 12 feet. I didn't think twice about shooting it, it came outta the brush huffin' and poppin' it's teeth. Put a 250grain .348 Silver Tip about the point where it's neck joined his near shoulder. Oh, yeah that turned him and I stuck him with another one somewhere's about the top on the shoulder blade as he quartered past at a couple of feet.

Su Amigo,
Dave
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A lot of hikers have died from bear attacks in AK. If I were to hike up there, I would have several filled mags for my gun. No way I would have stopped with nine rounds.
 
As has been said, it has to be investigated further. You can carry there, but not discharge the weapon. Pretty dumb regs in my opinion.
I'd like to know what he was carrying in .45 that could put a griz down, for sure.

About the only .45 I'd feel safe with is my 1995 GBL in .45-70.
 
'bout 10 years ago a large male black bear walked up on a ladies porch as she was feeding breakfast to her two grandchildren, aged about 3-4. She looked out the kitchen door window just as that bear stood up and put both paws on either side of the door and looked in the window.
Grandma reached and got a 30-06 and essayed 2 well placed rounds in the bruins chest, killing him pretty much DRT.....
Well, the Dept of Natural Resources Ranger and I go to the scene....
As much as I regret the killing of the bear, I am satisfied that that woman truly believed she was saving the life of her grandchildren....
The High Up types in the DNR wanted her charged, we said no, and she never was....
 
sheriffoconee said:
'bout 10 years ago a large male black bear walked up on a ladies porch as she was feeding breakfast to her two grandchildren, aged about 3-4. She looked out the kitchen door window just as that bear stood up and put both paws on either side of the door and looked in the window.
Grandma reached and got a 30-06 and essayed 2 well placed rounds in the bruins chest, killing him pretty much DRT.....
Well, the Dept of Natural Resources Ranger and I go to the scene....
As much as I regret the killing of the bear, I am satisfied that that woman truly believed she was saving the life of her grandchildren....
The High Up types in the DNR wanted her charged, we said no, and she never was....
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Sheriff, you have common sense. Not much of that around in some agencies.
 
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