A scary afternoon: major fire at the second house down from me

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Anxious moments this afternoon when fire broke out in the garage of a neighbor who is just on the other side of the immediately adjacent neighbor. But he is almost a next door neighbor because the lots have funny shapes and short dimensions right here where the street curves. The neighborhood is heavily wooded and I have a couple of giant eucalyptus trees on my property. This time of year, eucs are basically enormous roman candles just waiting for a spark, so my heart was in my throat for about half an hour as I and other neighbors got the guy and his dog out of his house and called in the fire to 911, then watched the progress after the engines arrived. After the first engine got there -- the station is only one long block away -- I raced the short distance back to my house and got my wife, who suffers from advanced Alzheimer's, ready to evacuate. I put her in the car, called my daughter and told her to meet us a block away, and swapped cars with her there. She took her mother down to her house, and I went back to ours, where I moved a cat and a portable computer into the car in case the fire got into the trees and took my house too. I wondered briefly about the guns and decided that other things had greater priority. Most of the best ones were in a one-hour safe anyway. I grabbed some data chips that had photos and documents on them and stuffed them in a pocket along with an extra cell phone battery.

Then I just stepped outside, avoided the cop who had told me to leave, and watched the fire response teams knock down the fire while cycling glances at surrounding trees and the different planes of my complex roof every few seconds. Why hadn't I gone up there to get the dry eucalyptus debris off when I thought about it two days ago?

I and my flanking neighbors live on street-to-street lots, so there was one engine down in front and three on the upper street where the fire was. Local police asked the closest neighbors to leave while they kept the more remote neighbors from getting too close. The flames were out in minutes under a combined water and foam attack, and the firefighters then chopped holes in the roof to hunt down hot spots and foamed them from above. After four hours on scene and long after sunset, they finally left a cold house.

I had been sure when I first saw 50 square feet of flames surging out of the open garage door that the whole house was going to go, but about 90% of the house is still there, though heavily smoke damaged, I am sure. Part of the garage and a large overhead bathroom are gone. I'm not sure from the outside whether the fire burned sideways in the upper levelor not. If so, it probably took out the largest bedroom.

The fire started in the garage bay my neighbor devoted to lumber storage and project supplies. He has been residing his house for the last year, taking out dryrot and mold wood as he goes. It's not yet clear what triggered the fire, but investigators will be back tomorrow to see what they think.

Nobody needs a fire in their lives, but my neighbor, a retired LEO, needed this distraction right now less than just about anybody else I know. He has a bunch of challenges already, and this is just one more. He and his lady are both big believers in the power of prayer and directed positive thought. If you all can spare a moment to think about them, I'm pretty sure they will both get the message.

I didn't have a chance to take a photo while this was all going on. I may be able to post one tomorrow.

Scary. I am looking at my own woodpile and storage policies now. I think I am going to change a whole bunch of things starting tomorrow. Including the trees, which need to be mercilessly cut back and thinned out.
 
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Fire, part 2

So within moments of finishing the preceding post, I heard loud pounding on my upper door. The lady of the burned house was screaming, "Our house is on fire again!" I went out and yes, the fire had erupted again on the second floor. This time I could see embers and hot ash blowing right through the dead branches and dry leaves of my eucalyptus trees and figured this was it. My wife was in a room for which I had an escape plan in case the trees or the house took fire. The same four engines showed up again over the next two to 10 minutes, knocked down the new fire pretty quickly, and got to work again on chasing down the hot spots. This time they took no chances, and as I type, about two hours after their reappearance and about five hours after they left what looked like a cold house the first time, they are still working inside the house, pulling down ceilings and prying off drywall where there is evidence of flame penetration. They don't want to have to do this a third time.

Here's a photo I took shortly after the second fire got established. The black mark on the wall is from the earlier fire that burned through a side garage door. The front of the house looks worse than this by far.

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Please keep thinking the good thoughts. My neighbors didn't lose everything, but they have lost enough to be pretty shattered by this. I don't know what their insurance situation is, but they will be working on that tomorrow.
 
How awful!! Things can be replaced but thank God nobody was injured.
 
Glad you're OK. . .glad everyone is OK.

You're making me realize that it is time to prune back the giant mimosa tree that I prize so highly, but which overhangs part of my 82 year old farm house. Nothing nearby to set it alight (nearest neighbor is ~800 yards away and I am surrounded by pasture, not forest) but nonetheless. . .

Prayers sent for your neighbor.


Bullseye
 
Glad everyone is ok, and sounds like you've got a good plan. Well done.

Some folks call that a "re-kindle". In the fire service, the secret is: There are no re-kindles, only fires you didn't put out all the way the first time.
 
Harrowing tale! Glad everyone's OK. We had here in my condo multiplex a similar circumstance a couple years ago, fire in the building with elderly and not fully competent occupant, and etc. The FD made an amazingly prompt and thorough response. Sounds as if your FD is on top of this, sparing you and other neighbors. This is why I don't much gripe about bond issues &tc. to pay for these services...
 
Looks like FD missed something. I've had my professional differences with the FDNY, but they are very good at what they do. I've seen those guys knock down some very big fires quick and they stayed out. If people had half a brain they would scream bloody murder at police and fire cuts, maybe they need to see things like this more often to realize the true value of good emergency services.
 
Looks like FD missed something. I've had my professional differences with the FDNY, but they are very good at what they do. I've seen those guys knock down some very big fires quick and they stayed out. If people had half a brain they would scream bloody murder at police and fire cuts, maybe they need to see things like this more often to realize the true value of good emergency services.

True that. I'm fortunate that my city passed a Fire and Police Bond issue just before the current economic crunch hit, so there haven't had to be any cutbacks. However, new equipment purchases that were planned have been put on hold until property values start to recover.

Prayers to your neighbor and his family and your wife in addition.

Note on stored wood and papers. If the moisture content is just "right" it can cause spontaneous combustion, especially if there is any rot present. Many many years ago a neighbor lost a summer cottage when a garbage can full of wood chips he kept for a smoker self combusted. Conditions have to be just perfect for it to happen, however it can happen. Also old paint brushes soaked in laquer thinner and then wrapped in a rag are an invitation to spontaneous combustion, so in your cleanup pay careful attention to anything absorbant that contains turpentine or oil based solvents. If you want all the skinny on risk factors for spontaneous combustion, pay a visit to your local fire station, you'll probably be surprized by what can self combust.
 
Update: The cause was electrical

Investigators seem to have regarded this initially as a "suspicious origin" fire; their reasoning escaped me, but they must have seen something that worried them. Or maybe they just treat every fire as suspicious when economic times are hard. But after a five or six hour inspection today they concluded it was electrical: the culprit was one of those reel-mounted extension cords with the plug-in outlets in the middle of the reel face. Over the years the internal contacts had corroded and finally bridged, completing a circuit. It tripped the circuit breaker -- pretty good evidence when the electrical panel has only one breaker off, and it was for a circuit that had carried power earlier in the day -- but not before flashing the paper and rubber insulation on the power cord. From there it was just a matter of time before the fire smoldered its way out of the reel housing and into the workbench and adjacent lumber rack.

Thanks for your thoughts. This couple is focused and dealing with the reality today. Yesterday and last night they were in shock.
 
"...and decided that other things had greater priority." DCW

What a gut check moment. I've thought about what would come out of the house if it had to be quick, but you had to decide for real and real fast.

Guns don't rate very high with me either.


Bless you, your wife and your neighbors.

Gail
 
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Guns don't rate very high with me either.

:D

I see that! :D

There are things you can do in advance.

First, you store some of your best guns off site, like in a safe deposit box, in a bank, that's on high ground.

Then you store the guns you have at home in a fire resistant safe. Then you place a sprinkler head or two above the safes. Nothing says lovin' like cold water on the outside of a steel box.

Yes, DC has the right idea in reducing fuel load in his trees. Fires cause us to take a real cold look at the pretty things outside our homes and decide on new priorities. Trees are nice, but any buildup of dead fuel needs to find a new home to endanger.

Then inside the home we need to look for new alarm components, and it includes garages. After reading his assessment of the cause, I'd also guess a smoke detector in the garage would have alerted them to trouble if it sounded inside the house. It might be a difficult DIY project for those not so inclined or experienced at alarms.
 
My rental house burned in Aug. 2008. Renters didn't have insurance so were sued for the rebuild costs. I don't expect them to ever be able to pay $103,000. State Farm did right my me however. They rebuilt the whole house & I am satisfied. I had $1000 deductable. Please tell all the renters you know to get rental insurance, it's cheap.
 
I'm not a firefighter but maybe one on the forum can add to this. I thought thermal image camera's were common place in all fire departments now. They would have been able to see any hotspots leftover so they didn't have a reignition.
From what i've read on them they are highly acurate with the ability to see hot electrical wiring, low level combustion, and smoldering fires in the walls.

gettysburg
 
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