Dangerous Encounters with Snakes, Etc.

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Our member 8th SPS mentioned in another topic that he shot a cobra in SE Asia with his issued USAF M-15 S&W. I posted there, asking for details, esp. about the ammo used.

But have others of you, in or out of the military, encountered dangerous animals and had to shoot?

Please describe the circumstances. Include the gun, the ammo, the snake or other animal, circumstances, etc.

Maybe we can share thrills and learn something.

I badly wanted to shoot a water moccasin that was very aggressive about attacking a stringer of sand bass but didn't fire my S&W M-64, four-inch barrel, because two local kids walked up on the other side of the lake inlet and I was afraid that the bullet might ricochet off the water and hit them. The load was Winchester's version of the lead HP 158 grain.

That should be on the dull end of things! Which more adventurous true tales can you tell?

T-Star
 
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Twice.

Had to shoot a rattle snake while fishing. I was stationed in Northern California. Snake would not leave me alone and I wasn't leaving my fishing hole. Shot him with a S&W M57 41 mag and a shotshell that my dad reloaded.

Six years later I was stationed in Alaska. I shot a pitbull that tried to attack a 5 year old girl that lived next door. Same gun but used Remington 210 gr jhp.

Both animals were DIRT.

Even though I hate snakes and pit bulls, I won't shoot either unless threatened.
 
Was the snake head-shot, and did the impact of the shot charge move it any distance? I have in mind having shot a lizard with a Hi-Standard .22. The Long Rifle HP at some ten feet blew it out of sight. I finally found it some 15 feet away, up on the side of the hill above where it had been. I've wondered since if the energy of the bullet did that damage, or if a spastic last lunge took it up there. The bullet hit just behind the left shoulder. Wonder if a .357 Magnum might have a similar effect on a larger monitor lizard or a Gila monster. This was just a little lizard of the sort that I think is called a green anole.

I fet bad about shooting it. It wasn't a needful death, and it'd probably have eaten some mosquitos or something, had I left it alone.

One fellow posted here or on one of the Ruger boards about shooting a snapping turtle with a Glaser round from what I think may have been a .357. The entire head was just plain gone, with the neck also missing, back almost to the shell, where there was just a bloody stump. One shot, and it was totally over for that turtle which had been acting aggressively on a friend's patio.

I know of a Montana game warden who had to shoot a grizzly that was being relocated or tagged. It got hold of him, and he drew his issued S&W M-66, four-inch barrel, and fired all six shots in a panic. One hit the heart, and killed the bear, apparently at once. I know only that the bullet was a 158 grain JHP, make unknown.

One of my brothers had to shoot a big dog, I think a Doberman, in his yard, when it went for him. This mutt had been terrorizing housewives on that street for several months, and it is fortunate that no one had been seriously injured. People were afraid to call the police, because the dog's owner was a big, mean-tempered man, and they feared him.

My brother used a S&W M-60 snub, loaded with some Winchester lead HP ammo that I'd given him. He panicked and popped off all five shots without staying cool and shooting for a vital mark. One bullet hit the dog in the right shoulder from above. It put it down, and it crawled, whining, back to its owner's yard. Police were called, but refused to take any action, saying that the shooting seemed warranted.
I think the bullet went in between the shoulder and the body cavity. Had it hit the body, results might have been better.

The animal lived (went to the vet) but never again set foot in my brother's yard. Come to think of it, the owner did a lot less swaggering after that incident...;)

He was, of course, in violation of the leash law, and maybe could have been charged with harboring a dangerous animal and reckless endangerment of the public. I wanted to explore those options, but when the police didn't hassle my brother, we decided to let the matter go.

My son lives in a semi-rural area of central Texas. He went out to see why his dogs were barking one night a few months ago. He was on this way to tell them good night and take them some table scraps, too, I think. Must have had a mental lapse, and didn't take a gun. The dogs were in an enclosure and unable to assist him.

Some fairly large canid growled at him and charged from the shadows by some bushes. My son threw it back from him and got one of those thumb-stud opener knives into action, it having been clipped in his pocket. I disremember (unrecollect? ;)) now whether it was a Benchmade that he'd recently bought, with a tanto point, or a Pakistan-made knife that a fellow contractor had given him in Iraq a couple of years before. That Paki knife is basically okay, I guess, and he carried it for some time out of sentiment. I've handled both of those knives, and they have blades of about 3.5 inches. The Benchmade is much better made, of superior materials, of course. It is definitely the knife that he now carries.

Whichever knife he had, he held the dog/coyote/whatever away from his throat with one hand and stabbed it productively with the other. The animal yelped, in great pain, broke off the assault, and fled. The stab wound was followed with a slashing motion after the blade had entered the side of the animal, which was brownish gray in the moonlight. He said that it was smaller than his Rhodesian Ridgeback, but bigger than an average coyote. Probably a coydog, was his best guess. It did look a lot like a really big coyote.

He had blood all over him, mostly the animal's. His wife cleaned him up and dressed some scratches and, I think, a bite, although not a bad one, I don't recall now if he saw a doc about the possibility of rabies. He thinks the animal was stalking a sick, old horse that his wife has since had put down. He is fully satisfied that the animal meant to get him by the throat. The event was a wakeup call, and he now routinely carries a pistol when going out after dark, especially if the dogs have alerted.

Next item: I interviewed a fellow who lives on Vancouver Island, who was stalked and attacked by a female cougar, who took him from behind, a total surprise. This being in Canada, he had no gun option, but did have a Schrade lockblade folding knife in a belt pouch. It was their version of the famous Buck Model 110.

He told me that the hardest part was keeping the cat from disembowelling him or getting to his throat before he could draw and open the knife. (My son mentioned the great advantage of being able to get his knife into action one-handed. That probably saved him.)

The gentleman, who was in his 60's if memory serves, got the Schrade open and killed the cat, but he was a bloody mess. He staggered into a logging camp, and they thought he had been cut up by criminals and called the police. The RCMP questioned him a lot, but got him to a provincial hospital, where he went into extensive surgery. His scalp had been pulled almost off, and only a thick collar prevented the cougar from getting him by the neck. He had MANY stitches, but they got the scalp on right, although signs of his encounter will probably be with him for the remainder of his days.

If memory serves (this was about 15 years ago), he never got his knife back. I remember asking the Schrade PR lady to see about getting him a new one, maybe doing an ad featuring him. She said they'd look into it, but I don't think anything came of it. Actually, I think he said that he wanted to avoid further publicity, as the incident made the news, which is how I found it, and wrote it up for a knife publication. I think that some men did send him replacement knives, and the Discovery Channel incuded him in a story on cougar attacks. The province of British Columbia, especially Vancouver Island, has more of them than any other place in North America. Now that I think of it, his wife was reluctant to call him to the phone, as he was trying to avoid the media. I suspect that the mainstream press and some animal rights groups had been bugging him. After I explained that I was with a knife magazine and wrote outdoors material, she reluctantly called him to the phone. He was very gracious, but did ask not to be given a lot of publicity. Said that he'd rather the whole thing had never happened, as one might imagine! :eek:

It was some time later that I saw his case on Discovery TV, so I guess he felt better about talking about it a couple of years later.

T-Star

P.S. I have personally had knives out twice to discourage dogs from attacks that I feel almost sure would have occurred, had I not drawn the knives. If anyone is interested, I can tell you which knives I had. These days, the knife most often on my belt in town is a Benchmade McHenry & Williams pattern, with a blade of some four inches, and part of the blade serrated for rougher cutting. It has their Axis lock and black G-10 handle scales. I like it very much. I keep it for emergencies, using a Swiss Army knife for normal knife needs.
 
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There is a thread on how I shot a cotton mouth last week. It is titled "best shot I ever made."

During my long years of life, I have had to kill several things by gunshot. Most of them were immediate shootings and not a situation where I had time to go get a gun.

In the last year, I have shot two cotton mouth snakes in my backyard. This last one was a textbook perfect situation and shooting.

Over 40 yrs ago, I shot a rabid fox on the side of a highway.

About 38 yrs ago, I came upon a lot of cars stopped in the roadway. I stopped and walked to the front of the line to see what was going on. Someone had struck a deer but it was not dead and was thrashing around in the roadway. I walked close and shot it once that finished it off. Then drug it out of the roadway and notified Wildlife & Fisheries to come get it.
Back then, we had to find a pay phone to make calls since cell phones had not been invented.

My worse case was maybe 20 yrs ago when I was walking around my farm. I stepped on a rattlesnake as I went into some brush. Fortunately I realized it as it was happening and did not take my foot off it. Thr head was about 6 inches from my boot and could not strike me. I pulled a S&W model 36 snubbie from my pocket and emptied it into the snake. Then went to the house to change pants.

Over my life, I have shot many poisonous snakes, mostly just behind the head due to not hitting where I was aiming. The one last week lost it's head in one shot.

As to dogs, I have only had to shoot one and that was at a home where I was serving paper on a homicide suspect. He turned two Dobermans loose on me. I shot one and the other got smart really quick and I am glad it did since I used four shots on the first one.
 
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Being a rancher in Wyoming, I have shot hundreds of rattlesnakes over the years as a matter of course.

Talking about encounters, one sunny spring day I was out horseback checking critters. As we moved along we dropped down into a shallow gully with a small rock outcrop at the head of it.

We also stepped into a ball of rattlesnakes that had come out of their den and were sunning themselves after a long winter's sleep.
RattlesnakeDen.jpg


I can tell you that all hell broke loose right quick. That ol Pony went to bucking like I had never experienced in my life. Now, I've rode a bunch of saddle broncs in rodeos and breakin' horses, but I can guarantee you that was the wildest ride I ever did.

I told that ol horse about the 3rd jump, " Buck as hard as you want ol kid, cuz there ain't no way I'm comin' off here!!"

Once we were out of that gully and a few yards away, things calmed down.

I sure woulda liked to have seen that ride cuz I think it might have been a money maker at a rodeo.
 
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There is a thread on how I shot a cotton mouth last week. It is titled "best shot I ever made."

During my long years of life, I have had to kill several things by gunshot. Most of them were immediate shootings and not a situation where I had time to go get a gun.

In the last year, I have shot two cotton mouth snakes in my backyard. This last one was a textbook perfect situation and shooting.

Over 40 yrs ago, I shot a rabid fox on the side of a highway.

About 38 yrs ago, I came upon a lot of cars stopped in the roadway. I stopped and walked to the front of the line to see what was going on. Someone had struck a deer but it was not dead and was thrashing around in the roadway. I walked close and shot it once that finished it off. Then drug it out of the roadway and notified Wildlife & Fisheries to come get it.
Back then, we had to find a pay phone to make calls since cell phones had not been invented.

My worse case was maybe 20 yrs ago when I was walking around my farm. I stepped on a rattlesnake as I went into some brush. Fortunately I realized it as it was happening and did not take my foot off it. Thr head was about 6 inches from my boot and could not strike me. I pulled a S&W model 36 snubbie from my pocket and emptied it into the snake. Then went to the house to change pants.

Over my life, I have shot many poisonous snakes, mostly just behind the head due to not hitting where I was aiming. The one last week lost it's head in one shot.

As to dogs, I have only had to shoot one and that was at a home where I was serving paper on a homicide suspect. He turned two Dobermans loose on me. I shot one and the other got smart really quick and I am glad it did since I used four shots on the first one.

Is that four shots of .45 ACP, from the S&W 1911 type that you've mentioned elsewhere? Which specific ammo, and where did the shots hit the dog? This sounds like very useful knowledge. I have a dread of large, loose dogs.

I did see your Perfect Shot entry, and was really impressed!
I know how you felt with that rattler under your foot: I almost stepped on a cottonmouth under some dead grass along a stream. It shot past my foot and into the water. It could have easily bitten me. They are usually pretty aggressive, too.

T-Star
 
Being a rancher in Wyoming, I have shot hundreds of rattlesnakes over the years as a matter of course.

RattlesnakeDen.jpg
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Iggy,

Right thar lyes a month's wages...Just think, put each one of them rascals in a gallon fruit jar, they'd bring 10 or 15 bucks at any roadside peach stand and Indian blanket emporium.

And how come they's always no one insite when a feller make a memorable ride? I would've sure nuff been pullin' leather and buryin' my gut hooks to stay outta a viper pit liken to that deal.

Dave

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Oh, Before I forget.

Texas Star,
Have shot several snakes at up close & personal ranges...Nothing to excitin', used what ever I was packing that day.

But, I kilt a black bear that was trying to run up my britches leg one time...Shot it twice at about ten feet with a .384 Winchester Model 71 and 250 grain Silver Tip Winchester-Western ammo. DRT

Shot a cross-bred bull that was trying to hook my cowpony one time...S&W 44 Special, CCI shot cartridge right in top of the withers...The bull surrendered.

Su Amigo,
Dave
 
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I've never seen that many BIG FAT snakes in one mess! And I never want to!
Something tells me that between Iggy and Dave, a "can't put it down" true adventures book could be written! I'd be the first one buying a copy too!
 
Is that four shots of .45 ACP, from the S&W 1911 type that you've mentioned elsewhere? Which specific ammo, and where did the shots hit the dog? This sounds like very useful knowledge. I have a dread of large, loose dogs.

T-Star

At the time of having to shoot the dog, I was required to carry a Model 66 S&W .357mag. The ammo was 145 gr Silver tips. I cannot say in what order the shots were placed. My mind was rather busy at the time. However, one shot hit the dog in the chest as it came toward me, another hit the head just above the mouth and two completely missed. I might add the dogs were turned loose on me at about 50 feet and I began getting shots off around 15 feet.

I will also say I hated shooting the dog. It was only doing what it was trained to do by a violent owner.

As to my 1911 that I carry 24/7, it is in .45acp and I will go through Hades depending on that gun and caliber. Having seen many things and a lot of humans of all sizes that have been shot by everything from a .410 shotgun to a .44mag, the .45acp has been the most impressive. Having watched autopsies on homicide victims, I have seen the bullets paths, the organ damage and still want a .45acp in my hand.

Not being critical of any caliber since circumstances change outcomes, but I have a photo I could post of a man hit right between the eyes with a .44mag bullet from 30 feet. Not only did he live but he walked to the ambulance. Once the trauma center removed the bullet that was embedded in his skull, they put two stitches in the opening and sent him home. He had headaches for a long time and a nasty scar with discoloration.

I have also seen a 14 yr old girl die from being struck in the sterum by a single BB from a Daisy lever action BB gun.

One never knows for sure what an outcome will be.
 
I was working in narcotics one summer following up on a tip by heading to the woods out to find a plot of marijuana.
I had a Model 65 3” and my partner David had his issued Model 13 4”.
David and I both had .38 Spl. “snake shot” as the first two rounds up in our wheelguns.
We were walking thru the woods when I noticed David had suddenly stopped. I looked at him and saw his eyes glued to a spot on the ground. I looked where he was looking and there was a coiled copperhead about 6 feet from us at the base of a pine tree. Without even thinking I drew my revolver and “point shot” the snake. I turned and saw David had his revolver out and I asked him, “Did you shoot?” He said, “Yeah. Did you?” Our shots were so close it sounded like a single shot; neither of us were sure the other had shot.
The copperhead was DRT, one load in the head, the other about 4 inches behind the head.
We tried to continue our mission that day, but only lasted about another 10 minutes. Every time one of us slowed down or stopped the other would snatch his pistol out looking to see if we’d stumbled across another snake. We never did find the pot plants.
 
Being a rancher in Wyoming, I have shot hundreds of rattlesnakes over the years as a matter of course.

Talking about encounters, one sunny spring day I was out horseback checking critters. As we moved along we dropped down into a shallow gully with a small rock outcrop at the head of it.

We also stepped into a ball of rattlesnakes that had come out of their den and were sunning themselves after a long winter's sleep.
RattlesnakeDen.jpg


I can tell you that all hell broke loose right quick. That ol Pony went to bucking like I had never experienced in my life. Now, I've rode a bunch of saddle broncs in rodeos and breakin' horses, but I can guarantee you that was the wildest ride I ever did.

I told that ol horse about the 3rd jump, " Buck as hard as you want ol kid, cuz there ain't no way I'm comin' off here!!"

Once we were out of that gully and a few yards away, things calmed down.

I sure woulda liked to have seen that ride cuz I think it might have been a money maker at a rodeo.


One word applies here. Grenade.
 
My Dad use to tell a tale about when he was a kid on the homestead.

He was sent horseback out to check a windmill about a mile from the house. This was back in the 1920's and he was wearing bib overalls.

He rode up on a snake. He didn't have a rope with him that day, so he took off his Bib's and put them around the horse's neck and used the bridle to kill the snake.

Now that would be a picture to remember.
 
Hi:
Three Pit Bulls attacked me on a "Bad Dog" complaint call.
Weapon-Sig-Sauer P-229 .40cal.
Ammo: Speer 180gr. JHP
Expended Rounds- Six
Victims- Three
Shot Placement- Frontal Chest
Results- Bullet had no effect on stopping attack
Sound of weapon firing turned the Pit Bulls.
Pit Bulls retreated to a wooded area and was dispatched permantly with Mossberg Model 590 using #4 Buckeshot later.
Experence Learned- always take 12 gauge shotgun when exiting Patrol Vehicle on a "Bad Dog" call. Also keep fresh clean underpants in jump bag.
Jimmy
 
Snake kill

Texas Star,

I missed your question. It was standard AF issue 38 ball from the

1970's. I was to close to the K9 pens to use my GAU (early M4).

Smashed its head with my baton, which still hang in my garage with

blood on it. 8th
 
Speakin' of my Dad and snakes, he and I and a hired man went back out to that snake den a couple of hours after my ride.

We took .22 rifles and started shootin' snakes. We had killed about 30 and my Dad was gettin' a wee bit "snaky." He would look, take a step, look, take a step.

Well I sneaked up behind him and pinched him on the back of the leg and went BZZZZT!!

I din't have any idea that old man could run that fast. He was takin' a short step and a long one and the short ones was fifty footers.

He made a big ol circle out there around the pasture and started back towards me. I could hear him cussin' as he came. I figgered I was in for good ol ass whuppin' when he got there.
Twarn't nuthin' I could do about it. I couldn't run cuz I was layin' on my back laughin'.

Well fortunately for me, by the time he got back, he was out of wind and laughin' too, but it was a close call I can tell you for sure.
 
We live in a semi-rural area in Central Texas on 20 acres. Neighbor lady phoned, "said get your gun there's a rattle snake at the front gate and I can't get out." We have a electric gate but I had the battery at my place charging it up. She would have had to walk within a few feet of him to open the gate manually.

I took my Winchester 97 12 ga loaded with "heavy bird shot" It's really my nightime home defense gun, but I don't load it anymore with OO Buck on a suggestion from a "HD forum." Figger some lawyer would have a ball with me if I was on the stand for "whacking" a human intruder (crazed Vee-et-nam vet shoots murderer,rapist six time felon with automatic assualt shotgun and Cop-killer ammo)

The snake was big one and he was very PO'd, coiled up to strike. I aimed at his head. He flipped up in air and came down DRT, never saw something hit the ground so dead. Couldn't find his head or his tail and rattle as they were close togather when I shot. He was as big as my forearm, close to 5.5 ft long and there was a lot
of him missing.....I don't allow rattlesnakes on my land with my dogs and "city kids" grandchildren running around in the brush and cedar. I vouch for the 12 ga load....lethal

Frank
 
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