Which caliber is best
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crofoot629
Absent Comrade
We just changed our 40 S&W duty load from 180 grn Winchester Ranger to 180 grn Federal HST Tactical. I’m pretty thrilled to get “Tactical Ammo” myself.
I think Federal had a better price point and quicker delivery time.
Emory
I think Federal had a better price point and quicker delivery time.
Emory
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anglaispierre
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You have just completed the circle. I started with that in my original post.
DeathGrip
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Where in France are you?Maybe Google Earth would be helpful to some.
Not all is Paris to be sure.
D.G.
Not all is Paris to be sure.
D.G.
Not exactly
You mentioned his book, not the web site (which I know nothing about)The circle goes round and round usually in a downward spiral. What comes around, goes around. All kinds of tests and opinions with different results and answers.
As many and I have said, whatever works for the individual is probably "best"
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anglaispierre
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I'm in rural Normandy within an hours drive of the landing beaches and close to Hitler's disastrous counter attack route. Some of your guys visited my house in '44, leaving behind quite a few unfired 30-06s. Seems at least one german left in a hurry 'cos I found his leather belt dated 1938 in one of my buildings.
The message is in the
. However, Marshall is an experienced policeman, and has some important things to say, and is generous enough to say them. I recommend visiting his site even if you don't agree with his published stopping power "stats."Attention is invited particularly to his link to a piece on the dangers of intervention, at the bottom of the page linked in the quote.
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anglaispierre
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A couple of days ago you said: "... and you quote M&S ..... and Fackler, a moderately controversial pair, to support your non-assertions."
M&S are Marshall and Sanow. I'm confused. Never mind, it is nice to see that you feel that they are at least worth a visit. So do I, whether they got it right or not.
USAF385
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I can easily understand that you might still be confused.
This is a very old subject here in the States. I don't even see a logical contradiction between my two posts, but I understand that you kind of think that I am pro-Marshall or anti-Marshall. A more careful reading of my posts would indicate that I had (not yet) stated my side, if any, in the controversy. The controversy exists between what M&S write, on the one hand, and what Fackler writes, on the other hand. Some agree with one side, some with the other, some not completely with either.
I'm not sure why you are concerned at all with what I think, but, since you seem to be, I will tell you that I agree with those who believe that the "sample" selection by M&S borders on the ridiculous. Furthermore, I have been around long enough to observe the disappearing data occasionally referred to. I did not need Fackler or his friends to point them out to me.
I am 65 years old, not strikingly smart, but not strikingly stupid, either, and I will tell you that I have a good feeling for Evan Marshall. The obvious fact that he doesn't know s*** about statistics (I DO know a LITTLE about the subject) doesn't change that. He has a lot of good info to pass on, perhaps even about ammo choice, but a statistician he ain't. Nor is his buddy Sanow, even though he obviously has taken a few junior college courses in the subject. Still, Evan Marshall has a lot of experience, and the fact that he is not a statistician should not keep us from listening to him and learning what we can.
I don't think that anything above is inconsistent with my earlier postings.
BlackSky
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One shot stoping power doesn't really concern me, I don't carry any single shot firearms. If I can't put an attacker down with 8 .380's and 6 .32 Mag's then shame on me.
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anglaispierre
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I like it. I'm surprised no-one else (me included) has made the same point so succinctly.
MF, thanks for clearing that up. Of course I'm concerned about what you think. We are in a forum and we should all be interested in what others think, and why. It improves all round understanding.
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tom turner
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A couple of years ago I did an experiment to see if I could give up carrying my officer sized .45ACP (a "high dollar" Kimber Ultra CDP w/nightsights, front strap checkering, ambi safety, meltdown pkg., etc.), and instead, "just" carry a S&W Model 37 Airweight .38 snubbie.
Frankly, I never went back. The Kimber remains in the safe, alongside other "bottom feeding," higher capacity brass-puking automatics.
Then again, I watch less and less "Hollyweird" movies that feature high body-count, beginning to end shoot outs with multiple thugs firing automatic weapons too. I think these completely unrealistic movies do nothing but ramp up the paranoia to excessive levels and make people feel they have to be armed like Rambo all the time. That won't work long, once one begins to carry concealed legally!
Bottom line, for a civilian like myself, my little M37 SHOULD do the job. If not, I'll bet it will buy me enough time to get more "serious" firepower that's always near at hand!
Frankly, I never went back. The Kimber remains in the safe, alongside other "bottom feeding," higher capacity brass-puking automatics.
Then again, I watch less and less "Hollyweird" movies that feature high body-count, beginning to end shoot outs with multiple thugs firing automatic weapons too. I think these completely unrealistic movies do nothing but ramp up the paranoia to excessive levels and make people feel they have to be armed like Rambo all the time. That won't work long, once one begins to carry concealed legally!
Bottom line, for a civilian like myself, my little M37 SHOULD do the job. If not, I'll bet it will buy me enough time to get more "serious" firepower that's always near at hand!
Vanilla Gorilla
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You might have been doing good, but then you threw in Dr. Courtney's name.
Or is this your new screen name of choice, Dr. Courtney? Is this board, as with others, one in which you felt the need to "re-invent" yourself?
If you're not Dr. Courtney, then I guess we could let that dog lie, however, your credibility is still shot, now. Publishing a paper and then having your wife cite it does NOT make it "peer-reviewed." Nor does repeatedly posting it under different names throughout the internet gun forums (fora?).
Or is this your new screen name of choice, Dr. Courtney? Is this board, as with others, one in which you felt the need to "re-invent" yourself?
If you're not Dr. Courtney, then I guess we could let that dog lie, however, your credibility is still shot, now. Publishing a paper and then having your wife cite it does NOT make it "peer-reviewed." Nor does repeatedly posting it under different names throughout the internet gun forums (fora?).
BobK
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Tests done by the Mafia show that .22LR works every time......when fired at point-blank range.....into somebodies brain!!!! Bob
Allyn,
Here is some more good information by [FONT=COMIC SANS MS,ARIAL]Massad Ayoob [/FONT]If you click the index on the side there are a lot of other articles.
Choose your ammo...police style by Massad Ayoob Issue #93
Here is some more good information by [FONT=COMIC SANS MS,ARIAL]Massad Ayoob [/FONT]If you click the index on the side there are a lot of other articles.
Choose your ammo...police style by Massad Ayoob Issue #93
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anglaispierre
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You've got a suspicious mind. I am neither he nor she. Never heard of them until I started researching for this thread. I am a Brit living in France. They are presumably Americans presumably living in the US, and possibly still working at the United States Military Academy, West Point. Is it their names, qualifications or place of work that destroys their credibility?
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anglaispierre
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Now I have read Massad Ayoob in the past and found him interesting and authoritative. I have just read this article, and saved a copy for my hard copy file. Now someone is going to tell me he is a liberal who doesn't know Jack Sh**.
Well he has been around for a while, has experience and some credentials. So he might know a few things
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