Open Carry

[27145]

Well THAT about sums it up, ya think? This thread will die and another started next week. Life goes on.....and on....and...

Well I am not doing anything right now, I have no friends, so lets start over.


What do you guys think about open carry?

 

[mkk41]

just wondering...can you provide a place for us to see this visual/audio claims that you are making?i'm also curious as to police confiscation of all your firearms...you know where they "come-a knocking" as you say...i have many years in the criminal justice field and i am a bit....uhhhhh...bewildered

Well , others posted links to the vids.

As for confiscation. It has happened. People have been wrongfully arrested for firearms charges. Here in PA , the sherriffs issue the LTCF and also process arrests. If you are even charged with a firearms related misdemeanor , it means the immediate revoking of your LTCF. And since mere posession of a firearm is now illegal , the sherriffs office will seek to confiscate any firearms. Though registration is prohibited by state law , the Pa State Police have kept an illegal 'record of sale' database of handguns sold by or transfered thru dealers. They could also come a-knockin.

 

[Kanewpadle]

Here we go again.

I have carried mostly open and many of those I work with have carried openly for the better part of 45 yrs. Not once has anyone tried to take my gun from me. Not once have I had a LEO question me. Just today a detective and I were having lunch in a crowded restaurant. Both of us were openly carrying as we are most days. Around here nobody pays it any attention.

I am 6'3 and weigh 250 and I carry. Who would attempt to take my gun, even if the holster did not have retention?

Now name me once where this happened? I cannot find where anyone took Hickock, Hardin or Bonny's gun away either.

Where do you keep your badge?

 

[blujax01]

To the OP, In Michigan you can Open Carry with a CPL in most
places that are Pistol Free Zones,...

Are you saying that if I own a restaurant or any other property and post a "No Firearms Allowed" sign, you think you have the right to set foot on my property armed and ignore that sign simply because you have a concealed carry license???

I think not, Sir.

 

[Black_Sheep]

Legal or not, it seems that open carry would attract the wrong kind of attention. I prefer to fly under the radar...

 

[Win75]

Missouri is an Open Carry State...BUT, there are so many cities and municipalities that have their own ordinances against it that I would not even go there. Too easy to end up in some po-dunk jail.

I just do the CCW and don't have to worry about it.

 

[mkk41]

Missouri is an Open Carry State...BUT, there are so many cities and municipalities that have their own ordinances against it that I would not even go there. Too easy to end up in some po-dunk jail.

I just do the CCW and don't have to worry about it.

What I like about PA is we have the PA Uniform Firearms Act. No local gov't , city or municipalities may prempt state laws and pass their own gun laws. That doesn't stop some (Philly) from trying though , and making a long and expensive court battle.

Private property owners of course may still forbid firearms though.

 

[OFT II]

Missouri is an Open Carry State...BUT, there are so many cities and municipalities that have their own ordinances against it that I would not even go there. Too easy to end up in some po-dunk jail.

I just do the CCW and don't have to worry about it.

Do local cities have the power to exempt state laws in Missouri? Where I live the state law overides city ordinances. An example was a few years ago when Houston had an ordinance against CCL holders carrying firearms on city buses. The state told Houston that they were in danger of losing state financial aid if they tried to enforce that ordinance so the city backed down.

 

[6thtexas]

Well I am not doing anything right now, I have no friends, so lets start over.


What do you guys think about open carry?

Let's tie them all together-If I'm open carrying an airweight and loaded with +P reloads and then shoot a Bigfoot, would I truly be in a lot of trouble? Can anyone offer any free legal advice on this situation?

 

[OFT II]

Let's tie them all together-If I'm open carrying an airweight and loaded with +P reloads and then shoot a Bigfoot, would I truly be in a lot of trouble? Can anyone offer any free legal advice on this situation?

You'll be okay as long as you had a hunting license for the gator shot in your yard.

 

[sipowicz]

I only open carry in Big Foot country.

 

[27145]

Let's tie them all together-If I'm open carrying an airweight and loaded with +P reloads and then shoot a Bigfoot, would I truly be in a lot of trouble? Can anyone offer any free legal advice on this situation?

If the bigfoot survives, Cajunlawyer will slap a suit on you so fast your head will spin. I am sure, on bigfoot's behalf he will seize your bank account, your children's trust funds and take your house. You will lose it all!

You will end up divorced, your wife will probably end up marrying bigfoot, since she will have no where else to go. After a while, your kids will be calling bigfoot "Dad". I know I would hate to see bigfoot frolicking around the pool with my wife and kids.

Cajunlawyer will score a new Ferrari and buy out a local gun store.

 

[CelticSire]

Let's tie them all together-If I'm open carrying an airweight and loaded with +P reloads and then shoot a Bigfoot, would I truly be in a lot of trouble? Can anyone offer any free legal advice on this situation?

"Oh, yeah. I paid $24.63 OTD for the airweight. How'd I do?" Forgot that part.

 

[cshoff]

Do local cities have the power to exempt state laws in Missouri? Where I live the state law overides city ordinances. An example was a few years ago when Houston had an ordinance against CCL holders carrying firearms on city buses. The state told Houston that they were in danger of losing state financial aid if they tried to enforce that ordinance so the city backed down.

The State of Missouri has preempted the entire field of legislation in the state, touching in any way, "firearms, components, ammunition and supplies", with the exception of "open carrying of firearms readily capable of lethal use or the discharge of firearms within a jurisdiction".

So in reality, there is very little that cities can restrict in regards to firearms in this state, however, open carry and discharge within their local jurisdiction are two things that they CAN. Fortunately, the vast majority of political subdivisions in this state DO NOT restrict open carry, though some do. It's estimated that a person can lawfully open carry in approximately 90% of the state. The other 10% have local ordinances that restrict or prohibit it.

The downside, of course, is that a person who wants to open carry here really needs to study local ordinances in any jurisdiction in which he/she plans on being in or passing through. On the other hand, at least if a person inadvertently finds him/herself on "the wrong side of the street", at most, he or she is only looking at a misdemeanor offense rather than a felony.

 

[007BondJamesBond007]

Missouri is an Open Carry State...BUT, there are so many cities and municipalities that have their own ordinances against it that I would not even go there. Too easy to end up in some po-dunk jail.

I just do the CCW and don't have to worry about it.

Does MO have a state preemption law? If they do cities can't make up their own gun laws. Royal Oak tried to ban OC at Art Beats and Eats but receded that because it was illegal under MI preemption law.

 

[cshoff]

Does MO have a state preemption law? If they do cities can't make up their own gun laws. .....<snip>

See my post above: http://smith-wessonforum.com/concealed-carry-self-defense/199172-open-carry-8.html#post136028506

 

[PALADIN85020]

The last time I carried openly in Arizona was around 1960, when I was still in college. A friend and I were going pistol shooting, and I found myself short of cash. I had my Ruger .22 pistol strapped on, and walked into a bank to cash a check. At that time, Arizona did not have a concealed carry provision, but open carry was legal statewide (and still is). No eyebrows were raised, and there was no panic.

I would not do that today. With the passage of concealed carry (and now Constitutional carry), open carry not only sends a "challenge" message, it invites gun-snatching and targeting by the bad guys. If I have to pull a gun in self-defense, I want it to be a surprise. That's the element that could save your life in a pucker situation.

As far as open carry in the great outdoors, I'm all for it. The gun is more accessible, other people are at a distance, and potential miscreants will be forewarned that they might be messing with the wrong guy. It's amazing how the visible presence of a gun will cool criminal intentions muy pronto. I've only had to display a handgun once in my life, but that saved the bacon of both me and my girlfriend at the time.

In an urban environment, conceal it. It the outdoors, open carry may be an advantage.

John

 

[oldman45]

Where do you keep your badge?

Usually in my back pocket. It is in a flip case that I can wear in a shirt pocket or over the belt. I seldom need it since most of what I deal with is either evidence, fatalities or serving papers. It is better off in my back pocket.

There are many times not showing it is more beneficial than showing it.

 

[Kanewpadle]

There are many times not showing it is more beneficial than showing it.

Funny, that's how I feel about carrying a gun.

 

[kobsw]

I live in PA and as long as you're not a prohibited person you can open carry except in a city of the first class(Population over 100,000) unless you have a LTCF. That's right, PA does not issue a Conceal Carry Weapons License. We have a License to Carry a Firearm which LEO's ALWAYS confuse with a CCW's.

Also, Private property owners have the final say whether or not you can open carry on/in their property.

A big problem with OC'ing is that you need a LTCF to have your weapon on you when in/on a motor vehicle. In addition you cannot transport a firearm in a vehicle unless you are going to and from your property, FFL and range. That is another reason to have a LTCF in PA.

FYI...I have not OC'd yet but there is a HUGE movement in PA of OC'rs and it's catching on.

In fact PA resident Mark Fiorino made national news when he was taken into custody at gun point by PPD for OC'ing.

The audio is on youtube just do a search, in youtube, of Mark Fiorino.

Best Regards,

Kobsw