sipowicz
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I know...it happened with my garter holster...
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I know...it happened with my garter holster...
What he said plus, you are dareing the BG's to take it away from you. And unless you have 24/7 360 degree radar coverage sooner or later one will.
Nah, can't happen to me? Well it did Bill Hickock, John Wesley Hardin, Billy the kid, etc.
Here we go again.
I have carried mostly open and many of those I work with have carried openly for the better part of 45 yrs. Not once has anyone tried to take my gun from me. Not once have I had a LEO question me. Just today a detective and I were having lunch in a crowded restaurant. Both of us were openly carrying as we are most days. Around here nobody pays it any attention.
I am 6'3 and weigh 250 and I carry. Who would attempt to take my gun, even if the holster did not have retention?
Now name me once where this happened? I cannot find where anyone took Hickock, Hardin or Bonny's gun away either.
OIF2
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I think someone previously said that what would work in a rural area wouldn't go over too well in Chicago. Probably a true statement. I worked in Los Angeles for 24 years; open carry (which is legal, as long as it's unloaded) wouldn't fly. Different mind-set in "the big city". No amount of "education" will help. Some people (in big cities, usually) don't like guns and don't want them in the open. Some OC people recently tried a couple of demonstrations in Southern CA; it didn't go over well. My gun (by dept regulation) was concealed and it was (despite what the OC true-believers will tell you) a distinct tactical advantage, which worked in my favor more than once.
Bob
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Well I give you credit for understanding the difference in regions.
Open Carry in Louisiana works because it has been the law since Day One. It also works because virtually everyone owns guns and there is one in almost every car on the roads. Our wrecker inventory sheets have a place to identify the firearms found in the wrecked cars. If the law was not already in place but was voted in, there would be mass confusion over what is legal, what is allowed where and many more areas. All the LEO here know that open carry is legal. It is taught at the academies.
That having been said, I still have more of a problem with AZ allowing anyone to carry concealed without a permit. How do they keep felons from carrying without running a check on each person they stop? At least. most of the time, I know the persons I am dealing with are either open carrying or legally able to carry concealed. If they are carrying concealed without a permit, they are in a heap of trouble.
There have been lots of NYC Cops who have had their weapons ripped out of holsters and killed LOD, while in uniform.
Here is a site that where it discusses the subject
Attempted Transit Cop Gun... in THEE RANT Forum
Here is a site where you can scroll pages and pages of LOD NYC Cops, I bet you find a dozen where perps have removed guns from Cops;
Search for a Fallen Officer york city &state=New York&from=1791&to=2011&o=
Lightfoot4
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It depends on where you are, but like others, I suggest waiting for the conceal carry permit. I'm in North Carolina and the last time I open carried was in a McDonalds, a few years ago. The manager approached me, said a customer brought it to his attention, and then claimed it wasn't allowed. It was allowed, but in NC a place can put up a "no conceal carry" sign banning handguns. Rather than argue with the misinformed manager and risk my most frequented McDonalds putting up one of those signs, I put my firearm in my car and have carried concealed ever since.
I use to open carry in years past, but today's climate seems less tolerant of it.
I use to open carry in years past, but today's climate seems less tolerant of it.
photoman
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Uh... Sip... I said sHirt, not sKirt.
cshoff
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Yes, there are numerous documented cases of it happening to LEO's, which, given the nature of their job, isn't surprising. That said, I only know of one instance where it happened to an armed citizen who was openly carrying (not saying there aren't other cases, just saying I only know of one that has been documented).
As a part of their job, police officers have to routinely make close, physical contact with people who are known to be dangerous. Law abiding citizens, on the other hand, have no such duty hazard. In reality, the instances of a openly carrying law abiding citizen being disarmed by a criminal, or targeted by a criminal, are so low, that it is nearly impossible to cite more than a couple incidents.
What I find rather ironic is that, in most states that have adopted a "shall issue" concealed firearm permit system over the past 10 years, there was generally a universal outcry from LEA's in the state for OPEN CARRY as opposed to concealed carry. The argument was, of course, that if people were required to openly carry, at least LEO's would know who was armed with just a quick glance. Kinda funny how those very same LEA's and LEO's are now so vocally AGAINST open carry.
Could it be that in reality, many of them are simply against the idea of citizens being armed at all?
617X10
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If you're getting coffee or gas at 4 in the morning at some little store on the way to your tree stand during hunting season, I doubt anybody will question you for having a holstered pistol in open view. On the other hand, if you are at Times Square at any time of the day on any given day and aren't wearing NYPD blue, you'll make national headlines. Know the law, know your location, and have some common sense.
I worked one such case where an officer (Watson) was shot with his own gun. There was no warning but the shooter (Petteway) simply took the officer's gun from the holster and shot him five times before sitting down waiting for police to arrive. The officer lived but could not return to work and now lives in AR.
It was learned the shooter (whom I interviewed numerous times) was a college graduate with a promising career and no prior problems. He did not know the officer, never had any problems with him and only did what he did due to medicine he was placed on for depression. He stated many times to me and in court that he would not have done it if the State had not made him take the medicine and IF the officer had not been as large as he was and IN uniform. Poor reasons? Yes but not something that would have caused him to attack an individual. He had no reason to attack anyone but the meds did have a bearing on the case as well as the perception many have that triggers attacks on uniformed officers.
The officers gun holster had retention but it was not working. A civil suit was filed against the holster maker. The shooter got 50 yrs without benefit of parole or probation.
Give some examples of open carry causing a gun grab for the citizen.
mkk41
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Well , stop standing on air ducts trying to do your Marilyn Monroe impersonation while armed!
007BondJamesBond007
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I would wait. I am from MI and OC laws here are great for OC but you can inadvertently break the law if not followed to a tee. You can OC in Wallmart with a CPL but cannot without CPL because of liquor is sold in the store. Go to Michigan Open Carry, Inc. | Nothing to hide! for more details.
My concern is who gets to decide intentional failure to conceal when it happens and how long do I lose use of my guns while it works its way through the court.
cshoff
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This is the only verified, documented example of an openly carrying armed citizen being targeted and disarmed by a criminal, that I know of:
Man Legally Carrying Gun Robbed at Gunpoint - TODAY'S TMJ4
I believe that OC is just as much my Right as owning a gun in the first place. I have nothing to be ashamed of and plan on breaking any laws. Too many of my fellow americans have been brain washed into thinking OC is evil and not needed. I believe just the opposite it true, We need exercise the right to carry in way we want too.
photoman
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Texas has been a CC state for over a decade now with almost half a million CHL's issued and I'm not aware of a single case of someone being charged with intentional failure to conceal. You might want to go over to the Texas CHL forum and look around. Lot's of good information there. No need in worrying over things that don't need to be worried about.
photoman
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The sample size of persons that open carry is so microscopic that not being able to cite examples is no surprise.
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