The most hard kicking revolver?

M&P 360 and a 500 Linebaugh

My M&P 360 kicks like a bless-ed mule with lever-evolution ammo and worse with 125 gr Gold dots(.357 Magnum). It is just plain belligerent!! An honest 1200FPS out of that little nubbin of a barrel. My friend Monte got a Ruger 45 colt from me and put on a 3 5/8" Pacnor(?) barrel with a five shot cylinder in .500 Linebaugh. The 440 grainer at @1400-1450FPS(from that stubby barrel) sucked very much bad....Especially with that small trigger guard. I was advised to put in only enough finger to pull the trigger. That was worse than the 14" T/C .45-70 with a Buffalo Bore round of some sort. I can't imagine the guys on you-tube shooting the 600 wizzerwhat in a T/C. I guess it takes all kinds. I'll gladly STAND BACK and watch.........Sprefix
 
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I'm curious to know if anyone here has experience shooting the 500 with non-standard wooden grips? The guns invariably come from S&W with the well-padded Goodyears which are ugly, but functional on a hard-kicking gun and undoubtedly take a good deal of the pain out of shooting this caliber. I've seen a few pics, however, of 500s sporting fancy wooden grips, and I tend to get rid of the Goodyears on guns when I acquire them and replace them with wood. Not the 500s thusfar, however......
 
Sprefix said:
My M&P 360 kicks like a bless-ed mule with lever-evolution ammo and worse with 125 gr Gold dots(.357 Magnum). It is just plain belligerent!! An honest 1200FPS out of that little nubbin of a barrel. My friend Monte got a Ruger 45 colt from me and put on a 3 5/8" Pacnor(?) barrel with a five shot cylinder in .500 Linebaugh. The 440 grainer at @1400-1450FPS(from that stubby barrel) sucked very much bad....Especially with that small trigger guard. I was advised to put in only enough finger to pull the trigger. That was worse than the 14" T/C .45-70 with a Buffalo Bore round of some sort. I can't imagine the guys on you-tube shooting the 600 wizzerwhat in a T/C. I guess it takes all kinds. I'll gladly STAND BACK and watch.........Sprefix
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If the velocities you quote are accurate, your friend is running his gun at pressures way, way over acceptable levels. Check Hodgdon's reloading data if you doubt me but the .500 Linebaugh is about 200fps slower than the .500 S&W and the velocities quoted are max for a short barreled .500 S&W. Don
 
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If the velocities you quote are accurate, your friend is running his gun at pressures way, way over acceptable levels. Check Hodgdon's reloading data if you doubt me but the .500 Linebaugh is about 200fps slower than the .500 S&W and the velocities quoted are max for a short barreled .500 S&W. Don
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If you knew Monte you would understand. He had a way of disproving some things. Example--Two identical guns with identical loads and one shoots 75-100 fps faster. How does this happen. Not suppose to. All should be the same. In short, he was nutz with guns and loads and loved it. Drove people crazy arguing with him then he "usually" proved his point. This is why my post is here under most hard kicking revolvers.
 
Recoil is a subjective thing that is different for everyone as we all know. However most don't know how to handle recoil; in that technique has more to do with it than most physical calculations. I'm always amazed to see supposedly knowledgable people shoot revolvers; the grip they take is always the tale tale sign. Most do not nuzzle the web of the hand into the heal of the revolver and the revolver can do nothing but role in your hand.

This becomes much more evedent when shooting large bore rifles and/or pistols. Most people will cringe at the recoil from a 300 or 338 Win Mag that produce some 27 ft/lbs and 32 ft/lbs respectively. Those that have made the argument of recoil velocity are correct in that it makes recoil much more punishing the higher the number. In the example above the 300's velocity is around 14 ft/sec and the 338 is 15 ft/sec.

These cartridges are at the upper limit of what most people will shoot for recoil, however if you take the time to learn to manage the recoil they become very easy to shoot. The big he-men will most often attempt to stop the recoil rather than absorb it, trying to stop a recoiling pistol or rifle will always hurt...grab a 458 Lott and try to stop the recoil; wee where that take ya. These same principals apply to shooting heavy recoiling pistols.

Lastly given that powder volume is comperable higher weight bullet will produce more recoil and more recoil velocity.

I can't say that I've ever shot anything that I would call unpleasant, this includes a MG with 300 gr Hornadys for pistols and up to 460 Weathby in rifles. There are things that I would shy away from, most are what I would consider rediculous...TC in 600 Nitro Express (Youtube it), Light pistols don't really bother me but I'm sure there are limits.

Cheers,
Sam
 
Perception is reality. I have a 500, a 460 and several 44 magnums. I've fired rifle calibers in tc's. The reality is that these develop the most recoil. The perception is that my 360 with 125g 357's is barely controllable. I fired a 50 round qualification course with this load. When I was done, my thumb, index finger, middle finger and web of my shooting hand were all bloody. Even with plugs and muffs my ears were ringing. I don't know if it's worse shooting the gun or getting shot by it!
 
He was shooting 700grainers out of a 4" model. Try it out of a snubby :D
That's what a cylinder full looks like. It's a handful to say the least.

SWSnubby6.jpg
 
@ OhioCoconut

It looks like poured cement in there!!! :)

That would be a handful.

New winner!!
 
off road said:
The .454, .480, .460, and .500 are all chambered for big very heavy guns, that all now come from the factory with the very excellent Hogue 'Tamer' grips. All that weight and the excellent grips, really tames the recoil. None of these have unmanageable recoil! The average shooter can work up to these, and will eventually enjoy shooting them. (To the guy who has the old style grips on his Ruger, change them out....and you will change your mind.)

The .44 Ruger SRH and Alaskans are absolute pussycats, but S&W makes some lightweight .44's that have bare metal backstraps, that push the manageable recoil envelope. I have a 329NG, and while it is very lightweight, at least it has the very good Pachmayr grips that help with recoil.

If I had to vote for the greatest precieved recoil award, 1st place has to go to the 25 oz .44 mag 329PD with that idiotic bare metal backstrap and stock wooden grips! 2nd place goes to any of the ultralight .357 J-frames.
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Long live the 329. Not to many people are gonna shoot one loose
 
If you have fired all of them, there is no doubt that the revolvers that recoil the most are the 3" 329PC and the 2 1/2" 329NG.

A close second is the 1 7/8" 340 or 1 7/8" 360 families of revolvers.

Third is the 2 3/4" model 500. This gun is actually fun compared to the previous two revolvers.

Fourth would be the 2 3/4" Model 460

Fifth is the 454 Alaskan

If we are to include single shots and other firearms, the list is dramatically different.
 
Have you been diagnosed??

cmj8591 said:
Perception is reality. I have a 500, a 460 and several 44 magnums. I've fired rifle calibers in tc's. The reality is that these develop the most recoil. The perception is that my 360 with 125g 357's is barely controllable. I fired a 50 round qualification course with this load. When I was done, my thumb, index finger, middle finger and web of my shooting hand were all bloody. Even with plugs and muffs my ears were ringing. I don't know if it's worse shooting the gun or getting shot by it!
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A 50 round qual with 125 grainers in your 360????!!!!!! Is you Nutz!!?? I can't believe you don't have nerve damage. I wouldn't do this on a dare.........You are more man than me!!! Get on with your bad self!! :)
 
Anyone who would shoot a 45-70 out of a small handgun is insane. I own a Winchester 1885 Highwall that is very heavy. I was in the Army for 24 years, but I don't claim to be tough, but after about 5 shots, my shoulder is black and blue. I cannot imagine the web of my hand sustaining anything like that.
 
phenson said:
Anyone who would shoot a 45-70 out of a small handgun is insane. I own a Winchester 1885 Highwall that is very heavy. I was in the Army for 24 years, but I don't claim to be tough, but after about 5 shots, my shoulder is black and blue. I cannot imagine the web of my hand sustaining anything like that.
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How'd ya like to shoot this piece of insanity?????

YouTube - ‪45-70 derringer‬‏
 
phenson said:
Anyone who would shoot a 45-70 out of a small handgun is insane. I own a Winchester 1885 Highwall that is very heavy. I was in the Army for 24 years, but I don't claim to be tough, but after about 5 shots, my shoulder is black and blue. I cannot imagine the web of my hand sustaining anything like that.
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It is a matter of technique.

I have TC barrels in .308, 22-250, 45-70 and others. It is nowhere as bad as you imagine.
 
Firehouse said:
Never shot anything larger than a .454 but it was a Ruger Super Redhawk. It had some little dinky rubber grips on it with the wooden inserts, at the time the same ones that came on the Ruger GP100 in .357. I shot it a few times with full house loads and no gloves, just barehanded. It would rattle your teeth with those grips on it.
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This mirrors my experience too. I've got a lot of Rugers but have no desire to one (or shoot) one of these again!
 
Slow learner

Quote:

"Back in the EARLY 1980s I was a new graduate engineer and the Thompson Center Contender had just come out. A friend of mine wanted to sell me a 44 Mag. barrel."

I had shot hundreds of rounds through my Ruger SBH. One round out of the Contender wasn't enough pain, I stupidly fired a second round. :confused: :confused: There is no need to fire any thing larger than 44 magnum in a normal steel handgun.

Thirty years later, I've even reduced the power level of my 44 mag reloads. Old wrists deserve respect. :eek:
 
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frankverrees said:
Hello,

who knows what is the most hard kicking revolver?
Is there a lot of difference in the .460 and .500 and .454?

Let me know please.
Greetz
Frank from Belgium
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I see you are talking about revolvers, so I'll answer your question. I'll restrict my answer to factory guns, not customs.

If by hardest kicking you mean "most recoil energy" it would be a 5" 500 with either a 510 grain at 1740 or a 725 at 1225.

If by hardest kicking you mean "most painful" my vote would go to the Ti/scan j-frames in .357 or the 396 with Keith loads.

It is recoil VELOCITY, not recoil energy, that hurts so much, especially when the gun and grip are designed to fit your pocket and not your hand.
 
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