AMMO TALK

Keep an eye out for shipping deals. $150 is a lot to throw down for ammo, but its worth it for cheap or free shipping. I tend to do that beacuase its cheaper than gas. Also keep an eye on gander mountain... they ship free.


Redbulladdikt said:
i wish i had a Cabelas Store closer than 4 hours away! :mad: But when i got to visit the Fam i will have to make a detour and pick up a few cans! Thanks for the tip!

I found out that between that 525 Federal and Winchester Wildcats i had zero feed issues and a single FTF all evening yesterday--And my Walther P22 hated both! silly lil pop gun thinks its a primadonna!
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m-22 Winchester

The dick's spoting goods by my house has it in stock about $50 for the 1000 round box. Is this really any better than the cci Tactical ( cost aside)?
 
i like the stuff. worst i've had with them is maybe 2-3 out of a couple thousand that didn't fire. they have much less lube on them which may help with feeding as the cci tend to have a lot on them. for the price i may like them a little better than the cci even. it's too bad i have to have them shipped. i'll check out dick's cause that would be awesome to get them locally.

vtone97 said:
The dick's spoting goods by my house has it in stock about $50 for the 1000 round box. Is this really any better than the cci Tactical ( cost aside)?
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CCI and Federal more than likely the same

so I guess this is old news to many folks but it was news to me. I haven't shot either of these brands in almost 15years until i picked up my 15-22s. I've mostly shot PMC and Hornady through my weapons up until this point...but yea both the federal and cci brands are owned by the same company(ATK). it would not surprise me if they were made in the same factory.

Back on topic though.

I knew after opening and handling several boxes of both brands that something was fishy! The dang things looked the same, they felt the same, and they sure as hell seemed to shoot the same.

Fed550 = CCI MM?
Fed Lightning = CCI Blazer?

sure appears that way to me anyways. just one more reason to buy those feds at any given opportunity.
 
BXRandall said:
so I guess this is old news to many folks but it was news to me. I haven't shot either of these brands in almost 15years until i picked up my 15-22s. I've mostly shot PMC and Hornady through my weapons up until this point...but yea both the federal and cci brands are owned by the same company(ATK). it would not surprise me if they were made in the same factory.

Back on topic though.

I knew after opening and handling several boxes of both brands that something was fishy! The dang things looked the same, they felt the same, and they sure as hell seemed to shoot the same.

Fed550 = CCI MM?
Fed Lightning = CCI Blazer?

sure appears that way to me anyways. just one more reason to buy those feds at any given opportunity.
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Shoot the federal junk and then shoot the CCI mini mags and you will see a difference.

Chad
 
I just old you that's exactly what i did. In the 15-22 the difference if there even is any is not even perceptible. I would save your money and buy the Federal 550 or the Federal Lightning when you are able to as I'm pretty positive it's the same stuff. I'm going to have a buddy of mine who is a CCI snob come out with me next time i go to the range and do a blind ammo test and see if he can tell the difference just by shooting them.

If you dump 50 round of Fed 550 and 50 rounds of CCI MM out on a table i doubt you would be able to seperate the 2 without looking at the headstamp.
 
BXRandall said:
I just old you that's exactly what i did. In the 15-22 the difference if there even is any is not even perceptible. I would save your money and buy the Federal 550 or the Federal Lightning when you are able to as I'm pretty positive it's the same stuff. I'm going to have a buddy of mine who is a CCI snob come out with me next time i go to the range and do a blind ammo test and see if he can tell the difference just by shooting them.

If you dump 50 round of Fed 550 and 50 rounds of CCI MM out on a table i doubt you would be able to seperate the 2 without looking at the headstamp.
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CCI MM has a pretty obvious additional coating of wax on them compared to the Fed 550. I also find the quality of the brass on the CCI MM to be slightly better and more polished. Whether that's a good or bad thing really depends on your rifle. I also can smell a difference when firing between the two, but then I'm weird and have a really sensitive nose when it comes to smells :p.

Of course none of the above really matters; you and your friend should blind test for group size fired at a set distance on a benchrest with both your rifles rather than just him just guessing what round he's shooting.

As for me, the last time I ran Federal I wasn't having a good time with all the FTF and FTE's I was getting. It's been 99.9% reliable with all the CCI variants (MM, Std, Blazer) however and that's what I'm going to stick as my main round. I might give another Fed bulk pack a shot as my rifle's much much more broken in now.
 
ok well i guess this is a debate that could go on forever. just wanted to put down some observations. like i said when i popped open a new box of the Fed Lightning and a newly Purchased box of the CCI Blazer they were the exact same; same dark color RN bullet; same slick casing; same print on the paper. take it for what it's worth to you i guess.
 
BXRandall said:
ok well i guess this is a debate that could go on forever. just wanted to put down some observations. like i said when i popped open a new box of the Fed Lightning and a newly Purchased box of the CCI Blazer they were the exact same; same dark color RN bullet; same slick casing; same print on the paper. take it for what it's worth to you i guess.
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True about the debate. I do not care how they look next to each other, for "me" the CCI shoots a lot tighter groups then the federal. I know a lot have noticed the same. The federal did shoot fine with only a couple of FTE's/FTF's but the groups were horrible for me.

Chad
 
Just took my 15-22 out to the range for the first time yesterday, worked flawlessly and was a complete blast to shoot. As for ammo, I was using a mix of Federal 550 and Winchester 555, both of which worked great. After 300 rounds for the day only had one FTF which might have been due to a magazine issue.
 
I have noticed no difference between the Federal and the CCI ammo--both have been accurate and reasonably reliable

The Winchester M22 is also very reliable though a little pricey when not on sale

I havent had terrible luck with the Winchester 555 either--i know most folks on here arent big fans but so far the only ammo that has been terrible in the 15-22 is the Remington Gold Bullet--GARBAGE--

Also sold off my Walther P22--too picky about ammo and magazines are impossible to find!
 
BeginingOfTheEnd said:
The first ammo I tried (fed 525 bulk, 36 grain hp) had 0 problems so I have stuck with it and been reluctant to try anything else. Better groups would be minimal as with these I'm getting groups no larger than 5", but mostly 3".
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If smaller groups are needed you should switch to a standard velocity ammo like CCI-SV. Because .22LR bullets are not very aerodynamic they will get buffeted around if these slugs leave they barrel going supersonic (about 1120 FPS) as they are falling back thru the SB from above. In all the ammo tests I've seen done at 50/75/100 yards the top grouping ammo holding at least the 8-15 tops spots have always been Eley or Lapua match grade ammo (rated 1050-1070 FPS) and the first cheaper ammo has always been CCI-SV in those tests. If you don't need groupings as small as .162 at 50 yards then you don't need to do what top rimfire target shooters do.
For tactical guns needing accuracy enough for steel competition out to 75 yards or so I usually use CCI-MM 40g for reliable ignition with a few others being close enough to use most of the time. I use that exclusively in competition with my pistols due to my suppliers recommendations.
 
I have been using CCI ammo in my 15/22 with good performance, but I would like to try some other flavors just for the hell of it. I have my eye on the Federal Premium Champ Target AM22 or the Federal Premium Champ Target 510, both are 40 gr. solid nose bullets. Has anyone used this ammo in their 15/22's? If so, how good are they? Any FTF or FTE? Have a chance to buy some in bulk at a decent price.
 
remembered that the first page says do not use any and all subsonics. thought i'd throw in my two cents that the CCI subsonic hollowpoints have been nothing but wonderful. if you can find them.
 
i like the cci blazers and the federal ae22. the champions (blue bulk pack) are more unreliable and give worse groupings.
 
Can someone tell me what the difference is in the different CCI ammo they have (Blazer, SV, Tactical, Mini Mag...) I use Blazer and love the stuff, plus it's only $20 for the bulk 525 box.
 
Thanks Phil, I loved the CCI data. Blazer is made by CCI but marketed as it's own brand so it is not on those charts. Here is the link to the Blazer data;

Blazer - Rimfire ammo

And, if you go to the home page there is an explaination of why it is an economy round.
 
A little late to the party, but thought I'd share my experiences thus far for comparison.

100 rounds of CCI Mini-Mag with no problems

325 rounds of CCI AR Tactical, 15 of these rounds nosed up prior to getting into the chamber and resulted in deforming the bullet and case, rendering them unusable

300 rounds of Federal 550 bulk pack with no problems

200 Round of Federal AutoMatch with no problems

And finally, 10 rounds of Federal CMP (Civilian Marksmanship Program) packaged lead round nosed bullets. The cases of these rounds are extremely dirty, and I didn't hold much hope for them. To that end they didn't disappoint. They would jam both extracting and feeding; the 5 or so that did manage to find their way into the chamber fired fine, but after 10 rounds I gave up. These rounds are relegated to the Winchester Model 61 & 68 as it is.

Will hopefully be able to try some of the M-22 ammo soon. However, for now the Federal Bulk seems to be the winner for my gun.
 
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