Open Carry

[oldman45]

Here is the stats on Louisiana

Louisiana Crime Rates 1960 - 2009

During 2009, the state had a population of 4,492,076 and had 530 murdered. That is less than 10 per 100,000. Agreed? Now if you look at the annual reduction, we are dropping in murder rates. Back in the 90's, we were almost double what we are now and with a smaller population.

Now here is the stats on Washington DC.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/dccrime.htm

During 2009, Washington DC had a population of 599,657 and had 141 murdered. or about 23 people per 100,000. Agreed?

So the Nation's capitol had a murder rate more than twice that of Louisiana. Yet find me a stat listing DC being compared to the other states.

Also, see if NY lists suicides and justifiable homicides in their murder rates. Louisiana lists all deaths including suicides, death by police as being a murder.

 

[mkk41]

Though I hate to give any other forum any exposure here , especially this one , Open Carry , all ya gotta do is read some of their 'with us or against us' nonsense to know what we're dealing with.

 

[ladder13]

Though I hate to give any other forum any exposure here , especially this one , Open Carry , all ya gotta do is read some of their 'with us or against us' nonsense to know what we're dealing with.

Much easier to read this thread

 

[bk43]

Reading comprehension may not be your thing. See if you can follow along. I only took issue with one part of your post.

Let's try this again. What I am trying to tell you is that you are arguing with yourself. Don't you see that? If I agree with you and then you post taking issue with that you are simply arguing with yourself and son, that ain't the doings of a sound mind no matter how you cut it.

Ya know, there's lots of professional help around these days for those that seek it. Just sayin'.

Bob

 

[27145]

Much easier to read this thread

Those open carrier enthusiasts are real crusaders. I rank them right up there with gay rights activists. God Bless them!

 

[ladder13]

Love that parade they have every year, they too, practice OC.

We need a double LIKE feature.

 

[photoman]

Those open carrier enthusiasts are real crusaders. I rank them right up there with gay rights activists. God Bless them!

I've been wanting to say something along those lines but figured it would be like thowing gasoline on the fire.

 

[cudamank]

Just a side note, since it was brought up, when people wanted some time of behavior to be accepted, did they hide it? No, they put it out in the open. Look at civil rights movement, look at the Gay Pride movement. Now CC vs OC is all in a class by itself but the model still holds true. Get your idea out there, on the news, and the more people see it the more they get used to it.

It just amazes me how this topic gets to be so heated, when both sides of the argument should be on the same team.

 

[27145]

Just a side note, since it was brought up, when people wanted some time of behavior to be accepted, did they hide it? No, they put it out in the open. Look at civil rights movement, look at the Gay Pride movement. Now CC vs OC is all in a class by itself but the model still holds true. Get your idea out there, on the news, and the more people see it the more they get used to it.

It just amazes me how this topic gets to be so heated, when both sides of the argument should be on the same team.

It does hold true.

 

[cshoff]

Let's try this again. What I am trying to tell you is that you are arguing with yourself. Don't you see that? If I agree with you and then you post taking issue with that you are simply arguing with yourself and son, that ain't the doings of a sound mind no matter how you cut it.

Ya know, there's lots of professional help around these days for those that seek it. Just sayin'.

Bob

Do you need me to spell it out for you, or what? I disagreed with part of your statement, therefore I voiced that disagreement. You do realize that it is quite possible for two people to agree on a concept in general, but disagree on the finer points of the concept itself, don't you?

The fact is, you said that you didn't understand why people who open carried "continued to rub their noses in it", referring to anti-gunners. I disagree with that assertion. I don't agree with the notion that they are "rubbing their noses in it".

Your condescending tone and veiled insults are childish. Grow up, re-read your post and my reply to it, and at least make an attempt to comprehend. This is 3rd Grade reading comprehension here, it shouldn't be too difficult.

 

[photoman]

It just amazes me how this topic gets to be so heated, when both sides of the argument should be on the same team.

When one side of the debate begins to "demand" that the other side approve, not just accept, their choice, things get heated.

I can accept that people have the choice and choose to do something, but I don't have to approve of it.

 

[cshoff]

Just a side note, since it was brought up, when people wanted some time of behavior to be accepted, did they hide it? No, they put it out in the open. Look at civil rights movement, look at the Gay Pride movement. Now CC vs OC is all in a class by itself but the model still holds true. Get your idea out there, on the news, and the more people see it the more they get used to it.

It just amazes me how this topic gets to be so heated, when both sides of the argument should be on the same team.

You have to understand where some of these folks are coming from. They believe rights should only be exercised in a manner they approve of. They don't understand that freedom is about allowing others to do things you may not agree with, without interference.

You can bet if somebody wanted to come in and repeal the concealed carry legislation in their state, they would be throwing a fit.

 

[cshoff]

When one side of the debate begins to "demand" that the other side approve, not just accept, their choice, things get heated.

I can accept that people have the choice and choose to do something, but I don't have to approve of it.

Absolutely. Nor do you have to try to undermine it. And unfortunately, that is exactly what some of the anti-OC, pro-CCW crowd have tried to do in various areas of the country.

 

[ladder13]

Your condescending tone and veiled insults are childish. Grow up, re-read your post and my reply to it, and at least make an attempt to comprehend. This is 3rd Grade reading comprehension here, it shouldn't be too difficult.

The pot calling the kettle black, here's some more:


Originally Posted by bk43
Well let see here. You post making a statement about antis. I follow agreeing with you. Then you post arguing with me about my post where I agree with you. What the hell is that.

Son, are you sure you've got both oars in the water or do you just like to argue?

Bob
Reading comprehension may not be your thing. See if you can follow along. I only took issue with one part of your post. You said:

Quote:
Originally Posted by bk43
I agree which is why I wonder why the OC carry folks keep trying to rub the anti's nose in it...<snip>

To which I replied:

Quote:
Originally Posted by cshoff
I'm not sure how they are "rubbing their nose in it". If a person chooses to lawfully open carry, then great. If, however, another person chooses to be offended by it, then that is their problem....<snip>

Of course, you never came back with an answer, only the condescending reply you made above. So I guess it would be appropriate to ask if you can even find the lake with your boat, because my oars seem to be working just fine, thank you.

 

[slumpy]

I see no reason anybody needs to know what I have, heck, I don't even wear jewelry. Own alot just don't flaunt it. If I was a criminal, I would take care of the most immediate threat to me and what was standing between me and my escape, so I guess if I saw somebody openly wearing a gun I wouldn't ignore them, they would just become my first priority, so the old lady with the .45 in her handbag would probably get me. Just my opion based on no facts but my desire to post a response after wasting a hour reading this post in which it seems no right answer can be agreed upon. I'm just glad not to live in Canada.

 

[cshoff]

The pot calling the kettle black, here's some more:

I generally tend to return what I get, in kind. The insults originated with his "both oars in the water" statement.

 

[Forester]

I'm in the "If you want to OC, fine by me but I'll keep mine concealed unless I am hunting." camp.

Some people around this OC issue are riding a pretty high horse.

 

[sohighlyunlikely]

American Freedoms

It is my opinion that the real issue is "Who am I to tell another man how and what to carry for his own personal defense.". If we as Americans want to limit our choices to what works the most average for all situations than we will all loose in the long run.
I am not going to insist you can only have one kind of car. I am not going to argue with you if you want Doberman as your only home security system. This is America and we have the freedom of choices. I may not choose what you choose. But I support your rights to have those choices.

Doc

 

[ladder13]

I generally tend to return what I get, in kind. The insults originated with his "both oars in the water" statement.

Yes, that's what they do in the 3rd grade that you accused him of being in. Jus' sayin'

 

[cshoff]

Yes, that's what they do in the 3rd grade that you accused him of being in. Jus' sayin'

I never accused anyone of being in the third grade. I'll appreciate it if you'll not try to change the context of my words. Just sayin'......