Video of Bad stop of CCW holder in Ohio

[photoman]

Jimmyj,

I also suspect that some of the reaction was due to the LEO realizing how badly he'd messed up. Imagine if the driver NOT been a law abiding citizen who had passed a police background check in the last 30 days, as indicated by the new CCW. An actual criminal could easily have popped a cap on both officers while the car was being searched. Would you want someone so careless watching your back?

Although the officer was already extremely agitated before his contact with the driver, I think you have a very good point walnutred. This guy totally screwed up the stop and took it out on the driver.

 

[photoman]

When you go out to pick up a pros or some dope, leave your cc weapon at home.

Are you kidding?! If there ever was a time to need a gun, that would be it. LOL

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Hey ChatPhil, can't we just have a disclaimer before the video stating there is vulgar language? We are all adults here, on a concealed weapon site, discussing an extremely important issue that could affect any of us and you pull an unprecedented video due to language?
Isn't this site trying to be a premier site for information and collaboration? Why strangle our information because of a 'bad word'?
Maybe I'm numb to swearing... I see kids wearing t-shirts at WalMart that say worse things than that cop said in the video....
I hope you reconsider. This video should be seen by every person here.....

I appreciate your asking, but the video does not meet Forum standards.

Thanks

 

[Sportsterguy]

WOW!
This whole scene can be "Picked Apart" both pro and con.
The officer was "Stressed" before the stop.
In my career shifts have gone from 8 hours, to 9 hours, to 10 hours, and now to 12 hours. I believe that 12 hour shifts are too long for patrol. I am thinking that this scene was at the end of these officers 12 hour shift.
Of course there is no excuse for the officer's conduct.
I can see "Law Suit" coming.

Deservedly so IMO. He should be stripped of his badge and sent to the curb.

 

[cshoff]

I am with you on this one. Just watched the video twice. Known hooker, lower part of town, middle of the night and other things.

How many people go looking for a job or info on a job in the middle of the night? How many people have a hooker stop them asking to be carried to get someone else (her pimp) and then park in the roadway.

Also, did someone catch what the "pimp" was carrying? I understood it to be either a push rod or a pipe but am not sure.

When I was first told about this case, I was told the man was pulled from the car because he was parked in a fire zone. I see now that was not the case.

Yes, the officer made mistakes and is a loose cannon. He should not have his job. But the officer has the permittee pegged right. He is dumb.

Unfortunately for the officer(s) involved, being "dumb" and talking to a prostitute is not against the law. It sounds like the only real violation that took place by the citizen MIGHT have been "parking in a no parking zone".

On the other hand, the LEO violated the man's rights (he suppressed his free speech and prevented him from complying with the "duty to inform" law, he threatened to beat the prostitute ("I'm going to put lumps on you"), threatened to beat the man ("I am so close to caving in your [expletive removed] head"), threatens to unlawfully stop him and tow his car in the future ("I see this car.....I'm gonna pull it over, tow it, and you're going to jail every time"), and threatened to kill the man ("I should have.......pulled my Glock 40 and put 10 bullets in your [expletive removed] and let you drop"). I would say the possible parking violation is very minor compared to the rash of violations committed by these officers.

 

[MajorDude]

I found this video on Ohioans for Concealed Carry. I understand it's removal from this site for the officer's vulgarity. I certainly hope that this officer is not representative of the Canton, or any other police force. His brutality towards a citizen was completely unwarranted in my opinion and I sincerely hope that there is no prosecutor foolish enough to try to bring felony charges against this man, especially with taxpayer dollars. For this officer to threaten to use his duty weapon in his rage is absolutely unforgivable. This man was not a suspect of anything and appeared to have his permit in his hand the whole time.

 

[27145]

Unfortunately for the officer(s) involved, being "dumb" and talking to a prostitute is not against the law. It sounds like the only real violation that took place by the citizen MIGHT have been "parking in a no parking zone".

On the other hand, the LEO violated the man's rights (he suppressed his free speech and prevented him from complying with the "duty to inform" law, he threatened to beat the prostitute ("I'm going to put lumps on you"), threatened to beat the man ("I am so close to caving in your [expletive removed] head"), threatens to unlawfully stop him and tow his car in the future ("I see this car.....I'm gonna pull it over, tow it, and you're going to jail every time"), and threatened to kill the man ("I should have.......pulled my Glock 40 and put 10 bullets in your [expletive removed] and let you drop"). I would say the possible parking violation is very minor compared to the rash of violations committed by these officers.

The "Victim" was loitering for the purpose of engaging prostitution. He had plenty of time to tell the Cop who was searching the car he had a ccw.


I call Shennanigans!!!!!!!!

 

[NKJ nut]

Unfortunately for the officer(s) involved, being "dumb" and talking to a prostitute is not against the law. It sounds like the only real violation that took place by the citizen MIGHT have been "parking in a no parking zone".

On the other hand, the LEO violated the man's rights (he suppressed his free speech and prevented him from complying with the "duty to inform" law, he threatened to beat the prostitute ("I'm going to put lumps on you"), threatened to beat the man ("I am so close to caving in your [expletive removed] head"), threatens to unlawfully stop him and tow his car in the future ("I see this car.....I'm gonna pull it over, tow it, and you're going to jail every time"), and threatened to kill the man ("I should have.......pulled my Glock 40 and put 10 bullets in your [expletive removed] and let you drop"). I would say the possible parking violation is very minor compared to the rash of violations committed by these officers.

So it begs the question; "Who is the REAL criminal here? Is it the man who was illegally parked and who talked to a prostitute? Or is it the one who threatened assault and murder?

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[cshoff]

Chris, you are not a Cop and you are not a lawyer, and you are not a judge, I do believe you are totally unqualified to opine on what the "victim" is guilty of or not guilty of.

And a "cop", especially a bad one such as in this video, is somehow "qualified"? Sorry, Charlie, but that dog doesn't hunt. One not need to be a LEO, lawyer, or judge to make a valid opinion on "guilty" or "innocent". In fact, a jury is generally tasked with making such decisions and I dare say that the vast (overwhelming) majority of jurors are NOT LEO, lawyers, or judges. I learned a long time ago that when it comes to legal matters, LEO's are generally the LAST people you would ever want to take advice from.

On that note, I find it very unlikely that another LEO could look at this video without bias in the "officer's" favor (which has been proven several times throughout this thread). You folks, for better or worse, are real good about covering for each other. It's what you do. Heck, just look at this guys "partner" who stood around and did nothing as officer "hot head" violated this mans rights and threatened his life and limb. Never even bothered to take him aside and tell him to cool it.

 

[cshoff]

So it begs the question; "Who is the REAL criminal here? Is it the man who was illegally parked and who talked to a prostitute? Or is it the one who threatened assault and murder?

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Well, it's just my opinion, but if a law was broken (parking violation), then the driver is at least guilty of an infraction. Talking to a prostitute, sans any evidence that a solicitation was made, isn't a crime. The cop, on the other hand, did something that would almost certainly result in jail time for you or me if we would have done the same.

 

[27145]

Please don't have a ccw when you make a trip to engage a pros or buy some drugs.

 

[27145]

I will state that the cop's statements were over the top and he should be disciplined for it, but please, please don't jerk me and tell me the victims name is Snow White. I will also state he failed to notify the cop's.

 

[ladder13]

Deja Vu

 

[27145]

Ladder, you are a jerk

 

[ladder13]

Ladder, you are a jerk

Thank you, I've been told that.

 

[27145]

I will state that the cop's statements were over the top and he should be disciplined for it, but please, please don't jerk me and tell me the victims name is Snow White. I will also state he failed to notify the cop's.

And what about my statement Chris?

 

[snowman]

Due to your line of work, it would be nearly impossible for you to be subjective in your evaluation of this scenario.

Sir,

Did you intend to say objective? Just trying to prevent misunderstanding here.

Carry on, gentlemen.
Andy

 

[cshoff]

And what about my statement Chris?

What about it? You look at the video and you assume the driver is guilty of SOMETHING, yet absent any valid proof (not just a hunch), he is supposed to be presumed INNOCENT.

Yes, like you, I have a "hunch" that the guy was up to no good. The circumstances surrounding the situation are entirely too "fishy" to think that there probably wasn't something else going on. However, the video is the only accurate account of the situation that I am aware of and after viewing it 3 times, I've yet to see any proof that the guy did anything criminal.

As to your statement, I agree with you. The actions of these "officers" (and I use that word VERY loosely), were over the top and they should be disciplined for it. In addition, I'll go one step further and say that their actions APPEAR to be criminal and they should be prosecuted for them.

 

[walnutred]

I will state that the cop's statements were over the top and he should be disciplined for it, but please, please don't jerk me and tell me the victims name is Snow White. I will also state he failed to notify the cop's.

However remember that according to the video his CCW was only around a month old. That means the fairly recently he HAD passed a police background check. You're assuming the woman is a pros based solely on the accusations of a LEO who otherwise shows consistently poor judgment.

 

[cshoff]

Sir,

Did you intend to say objective? Just trying to prevent misunderstanding here.

Carry on, gentlemen.
Andy

Yes. Objective. Thank you.