West Virginia State Police keeping 4566's

[Old Corp]

Old Corp was the deal free M&P's and holsters in exchange for the 4566's and CS45's?

That was the deal S&W was pushing locally. Regards 18DAI.

I don't recall the actual arrangement. I do know that it was very lucrative. IIRC, the 4566's were offerred for sale to any of the guys that wanted them for aound $350 or so.... Many did not buy.

For the new troops coming along, the duty belt has grown so much as far as equipment and weight, the savings in ounces from a full size S/S duty gun was appreciated.

 

[turnejm]

New 4566's

Being my first post to this forum, thought I would pass along some info on new 4566's I saw in a store here locally. All dressed in black and ready to pack to the range!
Been reading this forum for awhile now, and found the information outstanding! Thanks

 

[ET.]

They are so focused on their beloved Glocks that they cannot believe other guns exist. Not putting Glocks down because they do work when they are not going K-Boom. They are also ugly, heavy, not ergonomically correct for human wrist/hands and are virtually impossible to be tested ballistically to see what gun fired what round.

Well, with all due respect, I am a member of Glocktalk & other forums that tend to deal with Glocks & polymer guns. I do not see the bias that you say you encounter on a regular basis. In fact, I see far more bias in your statements than I see in most Glock owners statements towards S&W metal framed guns & the traditional 1911 guns. I own several Glocks & carry one daily. I also own several S&W handguns and love them as well. I am currently looking at a S&W 1911 as my next purchase. You on the other hand seem to abhor Glocks & other polymer guns & my guess is you would never own one. That would make whom biased towards a certain type of gun? Biased is as biased does my grandmother used to say. (OK, she never said that, but I saw Forrest Gump the other night & I can't get the "stupid is as stupid does" thing out of my mind.)

As to the other posters who are calling polymer gun owners "posers" & "tacticool" simply because they choose to carry a polymer gun such as a Glock or an M&P, I don't get it. I carry a Glock 27 because it is the most fire power I can find in a gun that I can totally conceal with summer wear, it's light enough that it won't pull my pants down to my knees & was offered at a price that I could live with. Oh, & it is one of the most reliable guns on the market. That is my choice for those reasons. How does that make me a poser or tacticool? I've carried for years and for the most part, the gunowners I encounter are not trying to be cool or pretend to be officers. They are concerned with the safety of themselves & their families. There seems to be a pervasive attitude by some, who look down on gun owners who own the guns they deem to be inferior & that says volumes to me.

 

[vista461]

I'm confused now, did the WVSP get S&W to make them new 4566's ?

 

[bad_man_ one]

Being my first post to this forum, thought I would pass along some info on new 4566's I saw in a store here locally. All dressed in black and ready to pack to the range!
Been reading this forum for awhile now, and found the information outstanding! Thanks

Let me be the first to say welcome to the forum.
The 4566's are a mighty fine firearm.
Regards,
BM1

 

[Grog]

Being my first post to this forum, thought I would pass along some info on new 4566's I saw in a store here locally. All dressed in black and ready to pack to the range!
Been reading this forum for awhile now, and found the information outstanding! Thanks

Someone's been to CTD I see

 

[deputys&w]

So are the "new" black 4566's available locally for sale? If so, what is the name of the gun store as I would be interested in getting one?

 

[Tim Nagel]

I recently saw a West Virginia Trooper, it appeared he had a black S&W pistol in his holster, it looked like a 4566 from the profile, he was working a crash so I didn't bother him.

Anyone else no the status?

 

[Tim Nagel]

I do not know a single person in position to know anything about handgun selection in eastern states.

I DO know about Glock websites. You can hear anything but a good prayer there. They are so focused on their beloved Glocks that they cannot believe other guns exist. I am a member of Glock Talk and threads about Glock contracts have proven wrong many times. According to them, the Louisiana State Police were issued new Glocks recently on a major contract. NOT. LASP stopped using Glocks long ago and have no intention of returning to them.

Not putting Glocks down because they do work when they are not going K-Boom. They are also ugly, heavy, not ergonomically correct for human wrist/hands and are virtually impossible to be tested ballistically to see what gun fired what round.

S&W also makes some ugly guns, in part to people thinking black plastic gun ownership makes them SWAT or tactical guns and creates a market. Thankfully most of their guns are still beautiful works of art with fine tooling. S&W is picking up a good number of agencies to supply sidearms and that number is growing.

What is the Louisana State Police Carrying, I was recently in New Orleans and chatting guns with a State Trooper, he was carrying a Glock 22RTF, he told me they had ditched the Sig P220's for all Glocks!

 

[BuckeyeChuck]

As to the other posters who are calling polymer gun owners "posers" & "tacticool" simply because they choose to carry a polymer gun such as a Glock or an M&P, I don't get it.

There is nothing to get except some significant gun snobbery sliceable by brand on one axis, by frame material on a second, and often caliber on a third.

This reminds me of a friend I have who claims that all good music was made before 1974. Those of us 20 years his junior laugh at his eccentricism, which grows to howls when others in his cohort agree with him. Actually, we only laugh because it fits his personality so well. Otherwise, we'd roll our eyes at another curmudgeon who seems stuck in his 20's, which is what happens when many of us read similar content on this site about polymer-framed, striker-fired guns chambered in anything except .45. Sure, I loved (and still love) hair metal, but I'm not so stuck as to think there is no good rock n' roll being produced today.

Lots of us own and carry polymer-framed guns. I didn't choose my CC gun based on how it looks; aesthetics of a concealed gun are pointless. Similarly, choosing your CC gun because of the material in the frame is equally pointless, unless you want to shed several ounces of weight which does not contribute to the structure of the gun, in which case plastic has a clear advantage. And I definitely don't care what somebody else thinks of my choice. I'd never even considered "tacticool" until I read it in this thread. And poser (sic)? Let's see... practice with the gun... care for the gun... carry the gun... will use the gun in the statistically improbable event that circumstances require it. I don't see what makes such a person a poseur, unless I add some astigmatism to account for frame material and caliber. Oh, wait... (reaches for a pair of Snobopticas with triple axis astigmatism correction -- tinted in rose, of course.) Ah yes, now I see it for the nonsense it is.

Mind you, I'm not railing on personal preference. Everybody has it. Some prefer metal guns; some think plastic is equally suitable. I'm railing on the snobs, those who think that everybody should agree with them based on phantoms they call facts.

I'd like to have one of these 3rd gens because I'd like to own it and shoot it, and because it would be an interesting comparison to my M&P. Had I not just acquired a gun, I might ask the better half if I could get one.

 

[18DAI]

Other than someone referencing a Glock Talk thread, can someone please point out where any members in this thread posted about "tacticool" or "posers"?

I didn't see it here.

Back on track, anyone have an update? Sonny? Regards 18DAI.

 

[99savage308]

I tried but I can't help myself this thread is like a bad nightmare. I have to agree with the Buckeyechuck guy I will add this much Chuck...I don't care if my so called whatever sidearm is made of wood so long as it goes BANG when I pull the trigger. All of the so-called plastic fantastic hangguns out there since the ohhhhhhhhhhh what the late 70's I have found the S/W M/P is the best fit for my hand,but that is just me. Plastic frame/stock/fore end material has been around for a very long time. It took and Austrian oh those very bad Austrian boys to show the world how to make guns.

on a light note I do find this thread very pleasing 'cause I'am from WV. I write this with a smile 'cause the WVSP have made the whole USA take notice. Why don't y'all come on down up or over and visit we will be nice. We will have ya over for supper. Might let ya come back for deer season.

 

[gotuonpaper]

OK I am much to lazy to read through all of the posts here and ask if anybody has seen one of these guns personally yet or has posted a picture? The OP asked me to join and post what I know based on some info I had on another forum.

 

[18DAI]

Welcome to the forum gotuonpaper!

No, nobody has posted a picture of these melonite, integral rail 4566TSW's - YET!

To give you the readers digest version of this thread :

A) The WVSP are getting new Melonite 4566TSW's with integral rails.

B) The order is cancelled and WVSP is going to Glock 21's.

C) Black S&W 45 seen in a WVSP Troopers holster at an accident scene.

Thank you for any info you may be able to provide us. Regards 18DAI

 

[ET.]

Other than someone referencing a Glock Talk thread, can someone please point out where any members in this thread posted about "tacticool" or "posers"?

You asked.

...While this has little to do with what guns LE officers use, it does point out how ridiculous some of the current "tactical" craze has gotten, and how some shooters really look like posers instead of Sportsmen...

 

[gotuonpaper]

OK I have personally held the black 4566 in my hand. It is integral rail. The troopers got to buy their old silver guns back for a little less than 500 bucks. It is a very nice gun just like the guns they replaced.

The admin at WVSP are old war horses and have had a S&W in their holsters for a LOT of years, and dont want anything else right now. They will not allow a GLOCK for another generation or two of troopers. The DNR and DOC have both switched to the 21 SF.

S&W did NOT want to make these guns for them and had even went so far as to disassemble all of the machinery to build the 3rd Gens in Springfield. They were going to give them a lot of M&Ps for free with holsters and mag pouches to egt them to switch. WVSP flat refused.

S&W moved all the machinery to Houlton and reassembled it just to build these guns.

 

[10ring]

It took and Austrian oh those very bad Austrian boys to show the world how to make guns.

I think you meant to say it took an Austrian to show the world how to MARKET guns, instead of "make" guns. Of course, even then, Gaston simply stole a page from the local dope pusher. You know, give em a taste for free and then they'll come back for more.

I don't know if the Glock story will ever amount to much in the history of gunmaking, but will someday be required reading in marketing classes.

 

[J. W.]

to Glock 21's.

C) Black S&W 45 seen in a WVSP Troopers holster at an accident scene.

FWIW, unless this trooper was in a class A uniform he could have been packing a personal weapon. WVSP is a funny animal when it comes to their firearms policy. You can pretty much carry what ever you want if you're working a special detail that doesn't require a Class A uniform and duty rig.
More than once I've seen a reconstructionist called out and show up in Class C's and carrying a personal weapon. 1911's are popular amongst the troops and could easily be mistaken for a 3rd gen S&W.

I've been out of the loop though for a year now, so I can't offer any real info, just speculation. I'll say this though, if I ever get a chance to buy a melontite 4566 with the integeral rail I'll have a hard time not jumping on it.

 

[Tim Nagel]

OK I have personally held the black 4566 in my hand. It is integral rail. The troopers got to buy their old silver guns back for a little less than 500 bucks. It is a very nice gun just like the guns they replaced.

The admin at WVSP are old war horses and have had a S&W in their holsters for a LOT of years, and dont want anything else right now. They will not allow a GLOCK for another generation or two of troopers. The DNR and DOC have both switched to the 21 SF.

I have a a privileged position to know about the selection process, and what is going on in the inside based on some people I know. S&W did NOT want to make these guns for them and had even went so far as to disassemble all of the machinery to build the 3rd Gens in Springfield. They were going to give them a lot of M&Ps for free with holsters and mag pouches to egt them to switch. WVSP flat refused.

S&W moved all the machinery to Houlton and reassembled it just to build these guns.

I personally know both the Glock LE rep for WV and the S&W rep for WV and Glock had the lower bid but was not chosen. There is a lot of speculation why that I wont get in to.

I do have access to a picture. I deleted mine by accident and will have another one sent to me. AS soon as I get it I will post it here.

Thanks for the great info, hopefully S&W will wake up before it gets to late! 3rd Generation pistols are still quite popular. Many LE Officers who have an option still carry S&W 4506's and 4566's!

 

[J. W.]

OK I have personally held the black 4566 in my hand. It is integral rail. The troopers got to buy their old silver guns back for a little less than 500 bucks. It is a very nice gun just like the guns they replaced.

The admin at WVSP are old war horses and have had a S&W in their holsters for a LOT of years, and dont want anything else right now. They will not allow a GLOCK for another generation or two of troopers. The DNR and DOC have both switched to the 21 SF.

I have a a privileged position to know about the selection process, and what is going on in the inside based on some people I know. S&W did NOT want to make these guns for them and had even went so far as to disassemble all of the machinery to build the 3rd Gens in Springfield. They were going to give them a lot of M&Ps for free with holsters and mag pouches to egt them to switch. WVSP flat refused.

S&W moved all the machinery to Houlton and reassembled it just to build these guns.

I personally know both the Glock LE rep for WV and the S&W rep for WV and Glock had the lower bid but was not chosen. There is a lot of speculation why that I wont get in to.

I do have access to a picture. I deleted mine by accident and will have another one sent to me. AS soon as I get it I will post it here.

Very interesting! I'm looking foward to pictures.


The negative part of me has to make the following comment though. WVSP will replace pistols that really didn't need replacing and and demand a more expensive model to boot... Yet they don't have the money to pay adqeuate overtime to their troops. The radio system still sucks in many places. Many cars still don't have cages or radar. Ok, I'll stop...