gotuonpaper
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I am working on pictures currently soon as I can i will post.
And for those expecting overruns...I wouldnt hold my breath.
West Virginia State Police keeping 4566's
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I am working on pictures currently soon as I can i will post.
And for those expecting overruns...I wouldnt hold my breath.
I know, but no harm in hoping...
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I just don't understand S&W's thinking. Why not make a few hundred over runs ? They could sell them for whatever price they put on them. Just really sad that they are making a particular gun that alot of folks are wanting however they wont make a few extras. All I can say is buisness must be good at S&W not to want to make something that some people are wanting no matter what the price is. I have never heard of a company turning away $$$$$$$ like S&W does.
I just don't understand S&W's thinking. Why not make a few hundred over runs ? They could sell them for whatever price they put on them. Just really sad that they are making a particular gun that alot of folks are wanting however they wont make a few extras. All I can say is buisness must be good at S&W not to want to make something that some people are wanting no matter what the price is. I have never heard of a company turning away $$$$$$$ like S&W does.
I don't think they want to continue or promote the "older" guns. Remember that although a few dozen (?) of people like us, on a few enthusiast forums, would buy these guns, it may well be that the actual customer base is more like several dozen than several hundred, and I doubt even several hundred is a compelling number from a production standpoint. As I understand it, these guns would sell new for $700.00-$900.00 now and I don't know if that is a competitive price with Glocks and M&Ps and such selling for less.
I have no idea how much they make on a gun, but I doubt the profit from even a few hundred gets anyone's attention at S&W or similar companies. Also, it means maintaining warranty service and parts as well. I don't know what S&W would require as a minimum order, or if they would even entertain the idea, but I think if there was a sufficient market and a profit to be had, one of the big distributors would put together a large order.
I would not be surprised to learn that S&W is only willing to supply the 3rd gen guns to LE agencies because of concerns with market presence and goodwill in that community, rather than due to a per-contract profit.
Lastly, there is always a small group who want something once it is gone. When the 3rd gen guns were actively promoted I seem to recall hearing all kinds of complaints from the typical cop and civilian user about them being big and heavy and clunky. "Everyone" wanted the newest, lightest, highest capacity, shoot it underwater, never rust, never lube, takes a lickin and keeps on tickin wonder gun. I can remember hearing comments and reading all kinds of posts on various forums where cops complained about carrying around "bricks" and anchors and how they couldn't wait for something lighter than their 4566, 4006 or 5906.
Only a smallish group of people (including me and most of you reading this) avoided getting the disease and were (and still are) happy to carry the S&W.
It would be nice if I am wrong about this. It is what I think, not what I wish.
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Hey guys. Thought I would throw my .02 in here. I recently had to do an extensive background check, fingerprinted and all. I asked the state trooper that done my ten cards and she said they were carrying the M&P45. This was at the first of this month.
10ring hit it right on the nailhead... common sense is all it takes to figure out why....
VTHokiesDuckHunter
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10ring posted:
I'm not trying to argue with you guys for the sake of arguing, but I disagree.
SIG makes a pretty penny selling both metal and polymer guns, as does Beretta. And Kimber is selling the **** out of the metal framed Solo.
I'm not trying to argue with you guys for the sake of arguing, but I disagree.
SIG makes a pretty penny selling both metal and polymer guns, as does Beretta. And Kimber is selling the **** out of the metal framed Solo.
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10ring posted:
I have no idea how much they make on a gun, but I doubt the profit from even a few hundred gets anyone's attention at S&W or similar companies. Also, it means maintaining warranty service and parts as well. I don't know what S&W would require as a minimum order, or if they would even entertain the idea, but I think if there was a sufficient market and a profit to be had, one of the big distributors would put together a large order.
My S&W 4506 came with a lifetime warrany card, I hope S&W honors it if I ever need repairs!
10ring posted:
I have no idea how much they make on a gun, but I doubt the profit from even a few hundred gets anyone's attention at S&W or similar companies. Also, it means maintaining warranty service and parts as well. I don't know what S&W would require as a minimum order, or if they would even entertain the idea, but I think if there was a sufficient market and a profit to be had, one of the big distributors would put together a large order.
My S&W 4506 came with a lifetime warrany card, I hope S&W honors it if I ever need repairs!
VTHokiesDuckHunter
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You could say the same thing about slim profits on the M&P's, ("although they're making it up in volume") and for that matter, they make a lot of variants of the 1911 that should be consistent with the same profit margin/volume/parts issues ou mention.
The way I look at it, is kind of like the low volume Corvette brings a lot of presitige to the GM brand, even though they sell a lot more Malibu's and Cruze's.
Every company desires to have an "aspirational" brand or two in their portfolio.
1911's and Melonite 4566's and 3913's could all be those aspirational models for S&W.
The way I look at it, is kind of like the low volume Corvette brings a lot of presitige to the GM brand, even though they sell a lot more Malibu's and Cruze's.
Every company desires to have an "aspirational" brand or two in their portfolio.
1911's and Melonite 4566's and 3913's could all be those aspirational models for S&W.
yep, for the 5 guys in this thread that want them... makes sense..
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From what I have heard of their service, I am confident they will, although if it is far enough into the future and a serious enough problem, it might mean getting a new (and different) gun.
On the other hand, maybe if you suffer a catastrophic failure of your frame in the next year or so, they will mount your slide on a melonite frame with an integral rail and send that back to you.... Hmmmmmm
remat457
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So, we have seen a P.O. and we have an official S&W press release: Investors - Press Releases - Smith & Wesson dated August 16.
My guess is that this is going to happen
My guess is that this is going to happen
VTHokiesDuckHunter
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yep, for the 5 guys in this thread that want them... makes sense..
I think you're missing the point if you think there are only "5 guys in this thread that want them" (metal framed pistols), or as other posters have stated, "only collectors of 3rd gens would be interested...."
Tens of thousands of 1911's are being sold monthly, and that trend is accelerating. SIG sells mostly metal framed pistols, with a few polymer models as does Beretta. CZ is selling a lot of metal pistols these days.
I think a lot of M&P, SR9, and Glock pistol shooters would move up to a 3923/4013/5906, etc., if they had the choice. As it is now, a lot of them seem to "move up" to a 1911, or get a SIG or Beretta, when they really get into the sport.
Tim Nagel
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I like you way of thinking 10ring! Of course I love my 4506, but a new frame with a intergal rail, you got my attention!
Anyone heard if/when and where the old WVSP 4566's will hit the civilian market? I'd love t get my hands one on and I can tell you for a fact that there are some nice, low round count ones floating around. I suspect however, that not many were turned, with most Troopers opting to buy their old gun.
Blitzkrieg02
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There already out there,I bought mine a couple Months back.My buddy bought his about a Month before me,so they have been out there a while.I'd say your right that alot of Troopers bought there old ones,but there will be a bunch that didn't.You might get lucky checking sale papers,or asking Gun Shops about them.Because alot of Troopers go to the Gun shops regularly,and they might know of a Trooper that has one For Sale.The Trooper I bought mine from was an Officer so it's in Fantastic condition,but my Buddy bought his from a Patrolman so his had a little more wear on it,but it's still in good condition for a carry Weapon.I want to put some new Grips on mine because of a little bit of seatbelt wear,but I can't find any Factory Grips For Sale.
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