Discreet vs Concealed Carry

[blujax01]

Here in Arkansas the test seems to be "Can they actually see the GUN?' instead of "Is it imprinting?"

It's that way everywhere. Gun "Printing" is a term I've only seen on Gun Forums and in ads selling holsters. Joe 6-pack at Wal*Mart isn't looking at the bulges and angles in you clothes anymore than anything. Now a cop may make you out, but if approached, you identify and go on about your business.

Do I try to remain discreet? Sure. If the grip on my piece makes it look like my kidney stone went "Alien" under my shirt, am I worried? Nah ...

 

[roscoguy]

My point exactly, Thank you.

No problem.

Some of us knew exactly what you were saying.

^^^^ What he said!

 

[roscoguy]

Using some of the logic being presented, playing the lotto is a valid retirement plan. Of course we know in actual practice that would be a poor plan but it does happens all the time. Much more than anyone being targeted by criminals because they're armed.

Oh, come on now. I'll just bet you've got data to back THAT up...
Seriously though, you really can't see that there can be situations where OC could draw unwanted attention? Maybe there are no drug/gang problems in your area, but these types don't always use the common sense or logic that you seem to believe they possess.
Nobody is saying that you are wrong for wanting to carry open, just that it's not a one-size-fits-all solution.

 

[oldman45]

Man Legally Carrying Gun Robbed at Gunpoint - TODAY'S TMJ4
Open Carrier gets his gun stolen at gun point. OC guy thinks he was targeted BECAUSE he was OC and was going to stop doing it.

We chased this horse before. The man was new to guns, he had no idea of how to use a gun, never fired the gun and was interviewed on ABC over the theft. Not being critical of the guy, but he was a little light in his loafers. He bought the gun to show people he had one. He was walked up on and caught by suprise. This is also what I have been telling people. He was caught by suprise. He did not have time to reach for an open gun so how would he have gotten to a concealed one? Many people have had their guns taken when concealed. The incident you brought out received media attention because it was such a rare event.

The vast majority of people here do not realize how fast criminal actions take place. Criminals do not want to hang around. They will take what they want and go for more. If it means killing someone to shut them up, keep them from identifying or just because of resistance, so be it. VERY few people are able to get a gun before it is over. A few months ago a customer was eating in a south Louisiana eatery. A man came in and shot a lady. The customer began to pull his legally carried weapon. It is not certain which fired first but both men were hit. The citizen died in the restaurant. The shooter walked into the parking lot and committed suicide. Is this the normal outcome for such an event? Nope but it is far more common than you think. Police suggest not resisting in a robbery. I say I will review the circumstances before resisting or complying. However. I can get to an open gun before someone can get to a concealed gun and do so with less attention.

Each day, in many states, there are thousands of open carry people and they are not attacked because of their guns.

I know of a man that was fatally injured as he was changing a flat tire and the jack collapased. Should we stop having the tools to change a tire in our cars? One case out of maybe a million in a lifetime does not make it a serious threat or a routine event.

 

[ladder13]

We chased this horse before.

We have, but some are intent on forcing their "facts" upon the rest of us.
Do as you wish, carry a BMG 60 if you please, it's America......for now.

 

[hatt]

We have, but some are intent on forcing their "facts" upon the rest of us.
Do as you wish, carry a BMG 60 if you please, it's America......for now.

Some people wouldn't need to do that if some people didn't rehash old Brady Bunch rhetoric that citizens being armed is going to get them hurt or killed.

 

[roscoguy]

Many people have had their guns taken when concealed.

Really??? This is kind of hard to take at face value! Under what sort of circumstances? Even if some people have had concealed weapons taken, how would they have fared better if carrying openly?

Each day, in many states, there are thousands of open carry people and they are not attacked because of their guns.

Granted, it's only that in certain situations open carry could make you a target. If people decide that they are uncomfortable with OC for that (or any other) reason, then that's their personal choice. There has been way too much argument here over what actually boils down to preffered manner of carrying, it seems to me.

I know of a man that was fatally injured as he was changing a flat tire and the jack collapased. Should we stop having the tools to change a tire in our cars?

No, but maybe we should carry them concealed...

 

[ladder13]

Really??? This is kind of hard to take at face value!

Facts, stats? You're asking way too much.

 

[blujax01]

... Not being critical of the guy, but he was a little light in his loafers. He bought the gun to show people he had one. ...

So you intimate that he bought the gun and open carried because you think he is a homosexual and afraid of being harassed because of his sexual preferences? And the fact that he is in your words: "A little light in his loafers" contributed to his being disarmed? That he was attacked specifically because he had a gun?

Should then a female not carry a gun? Or any human who fails to meet the "You-must-be-this-tall" rule you just created?

And of course you open carry not in order to show everyone you have a gun but for some more altruistic reason?

Your statements make absolutely no sense.

You do realize that you posted on response 24: "I am staying out of this because all know how I feel based on past experiences." then proceeded to help derail this thread with the same tired diatribe as always, right?

Believe it or not, there are people who would like to have this discussion on other than a playground level.

 

[oldman45]

So you intimate that he bought the gun and open carried because you think he is a homosexual and afraid of being harassed because of his sexual preferences? And the fact that he is in your words: "A little light in his loafers" contributed to his being disarmed? That he was attacked specifically because he had a gun?

Should then a female not carry a gun? Or any human who fails to meet the "You-must-be-this-tall" rule you just created?

And of course you open carry not in order to show everyone you have a gun but for some more altruistic reason?

Your statements make absolutely no sense.

You do realize that you posted on response 24: "I am staying out of this because all know how I feel based on past experiences." then proceeded to help derail this thread with the same tired diatribe as always, right?

Believe it or not, there are people who would like to have this discussion on other than a playground level.

First, I did not make any reference to his possible sexual traits. I do not care what he does but he said in his interview with ABC that he carried openly to discourage more robberies since he has been a victim of prior robberies. He bought a gun and carried it without training. OC apparently is legal in his state. Yet common sense says he should have learned to use it before carrying it.

I carry concealed about as much as I do openly but never had anyone try to take my gun nor have I heard of such happening until the above mentioned incident.

Until your post, I was unaware this discussion was on the playground level but I can use shorter words if it helps you.

 

[ladder13]

So exactly what does "a little light in the loafers" refer to? Just askin'

 

[mc5aw]

C'mon Mike, get with the forum lingo ... "light in the loafers" simply means the guy was carrying an Airweight in a Renegade ankle rig.

 

[redlevel]

C'mon Mike, get with the forum lingo ... "light in the loafers" simply means the guy was carrying an Airweight in a Renegade ankle rig.

 

[Steve in Vermont]

One thing for sure, if you're going to OC you had better (1) be prepared to use the gun, if necessary, and (2) look like you could and would. Criminals have one thing in commen, they can spot weakness a mile away. I'd bet this guy had "victim" written all over him.

 

[oldman45]

So exactly what does "a little light in the loafers" refer to? Just askin'

It is a southern term. It means about the same as "his elevator does not go to the top floor" or "he does not have both oars in the water."

 

[redlevel]

It is a southern term. It means about the same as "his elevator does not go to the top floor" or "he does not have both oars in the water."

That ain't what it means in this part of the South.

 

[ladder13]

That ain't what it means in this part of the South.

Or any other part of this country that I've ever been in.

 

[mtheo]

I carry concealed because I feel there are tactical advantages and some people are not comfortable in the presence of firearms.

When I became of age to obtain a permit I learned that part of carrying concealed was not letting your associates know you were carrying concealed. They would do stupid risky things "Don't worry Theo's gotta gun." I was apparently being cast in the role of security. Literally riding shotgun and not knowing it .......No thanks!

 

[celticfisherman]

Civilian open carry in public is just wrong in my opinion. When I see someone open carrying I expect to see a badge of some kind. Open carry says “I’m here to protect and serve.” Civilian carry is for personal protection. I know there are rare exceptions when a civilian may have to intervene on behalf of others, but odds are that will never happen and being canceled would likely be an advantage is such a case.

Yeah really? Do you roll over and let them tickle your belly as well?

I have in fact MORE of a right than a cop does to a gun. And quite frankly most people on here are MORE qualified than MOST cops to carry a gun.

 

[celticfisherman]

I really didn't intend on this to get to a OC vs CC debate... And let's face it the "bad guy shoots you first" scenario is about as common as alien invasion... If you pay attention you avoid 99% of all bad situations.