Whipping or Child Abuse!

[jimmyj]

A good rule on "Corporal Punishment" is use the open hand on the butt.
When your hand starts to "Smart" its time to stop.

Growing up I received my share of "Belts Whumping" from Dad and "Peach Tree Switchs" from my Mom. Also "Hand Spanking" from neighbors plus wooden paddles at school. Jimmy was not an "Angel".
My last "Belt Whumping" (so far) was from my Mom and I was 26 years old and a Police Officer.
The Family Preacher's wife always said that "Mischieve Little Boys" grew up to become Preachers or Policemen.

 

[mtelkhntr]

My kids are the same age as she is and I'll admit on rare occasions they received a couple swats with an open hand across their behinds to get their attention but after I made my point about the behavior for which they were reprimanded, I'd go off by myself and cry. I know it hurt me more than it hurt them but you know, they've turned out to be the most fantastic kids a dad could ever want.

 

[moosedog]

Yeah, I used to get beat with a belt too. That was the 1950s mentality.
And my father sat in front of me with a beer in one hand and a cigarette in the other and told me he never wanted to catch me smoking or drinking.
In my early years I smoked, drank and kicked ***. Gee, I wonder where I learned that from?
It's not 1950 anymore. We have all gotten smarter hopefully.
There's exceptions, but if normal disciplining your child has to come down to that, you have failed as a parent

 

[feralmerril]

Supposedly she showed the long kept video (sounds like she kept it for blackmail to me) because he was going to take back the mercedes and was going to cut her support at 24 years old for quitting college. How many of you want to keep a 24 year old and support them and keep them in a mercedes even if they quit? I am up for adoption. Off thread here, dad told me a story that as a young man he worked for a farmer. The farmer got some brand new milking equipment delivered. The farmer called his boy over and whipped him. The kid was crying and said what was that for? The farmer pointed at his new milking machine and says see that? Well, dont go near it!

 

[Nacho Man]

i understand there comes a time when you have to whoop em to put em in check. but that was just way too much, you can see the mother try once, all she could do, that tells me she did it 1 time to satisfy the male so he felt his decision was right, so she wouldn't be next on the list.

 

[Armyphotog]

I was raised in a different time. My Mother handed out the discipline in our house. Dad was a sweetheart. Poor mom got the hard duty. She used a switch, as I remember. She switched me so hard one day, I had red whelps on my legs. She sat down on the bed and cried about it with me. I loved my mom and I definately learned right from wrong. At school, the Coach used a fiberglass paddle with half inch holes drilled every inch or so. Just seeing it made be act right.
I have used a belt on my kids, but only for lying. I can't tolorate a lier. You can't work anything out that starts with a lie. I raised two and it was the hardest work I ever had to do in my life. I'm not going to sit here and judge another parent. I don't have the right, and none of us know all of the circumstances surrounding that video. My question is how did it survive all these years?

 

[jws1006]

Yeah...leaving an SKS within reach of a 3 year old, and he's the one who got the beating?

Actually there was a story behind that.The ammo was locked up in a different part of the house.His mother and I agreed to let him get himself in trouble.Same rules I grew up with,STAY OUT OF THAT CLOSET.So it was put up.He knew the score then and knows it now.

 

[GKC]

none of us know all of the circumstances surrounding that video.

I really don't know what circumstances there could be that would justify the man's actions...unless the video was faked, which he has admitted it wasn't. The man was completely out of control, screaming, cursing, and thrashing at every part of her body.

She may very well have done something to infuriate him, but he should not have approached her when he was in a state of rage. If you got mad at your neighbor, and started cursing at him and thrashing him repeatedly with your belt, do you think a court would consider it an acceptable defense that he made you mad? If it is not an acceptable defense to lose your temper and assault another adult male, what makes it so with your 16 year old daughter?

The father was not acting in self defense, he was not under threat or in imminent danger, and it was very clear that the only resistance the daughter was giving him was not turning over so he could lash her buttocks with the belt.

I have raised three sons, and our youngest was a little hellion from about 4 until he was 19...so, I can understand being completely frustrated and angry. BUT, when you are in that state, you should absolutely refrain from administering punishment until you can do so calmly and rationally. I still maintain that a 16 year old is far too old to spank...especially in the manner in which he did it.

 

[sheriffoconee]

I understand that statute of limitations has expired...however, if I had that tape in a timely manner, the Judge would be sittin' in my jail....
thrashing a 16 year old with a belt for a pirated download, in the rage he appears to be in, using the language he used....yeah, I suspect he wouldn't do well in front of a jury 'round here...

 

[Kanewpadle]

IMO, if you have to spank a 16 year old girl something went wrong well before that. I would guess that the parenting simply wasn't there. So the beating, yelling and cursing make up for it. Sad. Real sad.

My father beat the **** out of me. I deserved most of them but he got carried away. I swore I would never lose my temper and spank my child.

Luckily we had a girl. Well behaved and smart like her mom. I spanked her once at the age of 3 or 4 when I caught her lying to me. She never lied again and I never had to spank her again.

Our relationship developed to where all I had to do was raise my voice. Not my hand.

She's now 25, on her own, and successful.

Parenting ain't for the lazy or dimwitted. But sadly, that's what's wrong with our country.

So now we have people like Super Nanny who have to tell us how to be parents!

 

[venomballistics]

IMO, if you have to spank a 16 year old girl something went wrong well before that. I would guess that the parenting simply wasn't there. So the beating, yelling and cursing make up for it. Sad. Real sad.

My father beat the **** out of me. I deserved most of them but he got carried away. I swore I would never lose my temper and spank my child.

Luckily we had a girl. Well behaved and smart like her mom. I spanked her once at the age of 3 or 4 when I caught her lying to me. She never lied again and I never had to spank her again.

Our relationship developed to where all I had to do was raise my voice. Not my hand.

She's now 25, on her own, and successful.

Parenting ain't for the lazy or dimwitted. But sadly, that's what's wrong with our country.

So now we have people like Super Nanny who have to tell us how to be parents!

still varies from kid to kid ... so many need only a few swats where the sun dont shine and the correction takes and they avoid the infraction ... others dont get the memo and require a refresher or two ... its when parents think the tude is cute and charming where we get one spiraling out of control. their manipulations and tantrums get rewarded. When its no longer cute and charming, its a long road to set em right cause the tude, manipulation and tantrums worked well for em .. why change?

 

[GatorFarmer]

The wife subsequently divorced him - he's a judge, now suspended, and the video is real. The mother described her time with him as abusive and that he was very controlling. The daughter claims that she released it after he arrogantly told her to go ahead. Apparently he's gotten a lawyer, but his earliest statements about it were along the lines of "so what" and "it looks worse than it is". The daughter actually hasn't come across as vindictive in her statements, and has said that she really wants her father to take responsibility for his actions and get counseling.

I was still in college when I was 24, btw, law school. Average age for one Ls in that time period was about that I think, since circa the late 90s it took most people five years to get a four year degree for various reasons. (I know one person for whom it took fourteen years, but eh, at least he saw it through.)

 

[M29since14]

It always hurt me to have to discipline my children, it broke my heart to spank them...

I didn't watch the video. Don't think I want to.

I am with Dave. My kids were/are very good and I only used corporal punishment once on them. I am sure that later it hurt me much worse than it did them.

I am not against paddlings, spankings, or whatever you call them, but it really does call for great discretion.

I don't think most Dads would even consider striking their 16-y/o daughter. Just not the right thing to do.

 

[Texas Star]

I saw this girl and her mother interviewed today by Matt Lauer on NBC, which showed what was evidently just part of the video, with clear judgemental attitudes favoring the girl.

The young lady showed no sign of cerebral palsy or any other ailment, and was alert and articulate.

There was no interrogation of her to determine what her continued behavior had been in the weeks that led up to the spanking for an offense that might have caused her family grave legal trouble and cost her/them huge fines, maybe jail time, for her illegal activity.

The judge lost it and overreacted. But we don't know his side of the story, so I'm reserving judgement. Everyone is human, and he may have had it to the gills with her over other issues. She rigged the camera and probably performed for it. May have resisted to anger her dad more.

According to TV, the judge will not be handling domestic discipline cases. Those on his docket will be handled by other judges, at least for a time. He is not due for re-election for three years. Maybe the case will re-surface then. He cannot be prosecuted,as the statute of limitations passed two years ago.

A sheriff or police chief asked about the matter said that Texas does allow corporal punishment, provided that it causes no serious harm to the minor, and that such cases are often difficult to decide if brought to court.

NBC said nothing about the Mercedes or the girl still being supported by her dad,or her threat to publish the edited video because she was dropping out of college. Lauer was only interested in trying to promote "good TV" by sympathyzing with her and denigrating her father. That was his clear agenda. It is the PC approach, and what I'd expect from a liberal newsman.

I think the judge needs to control his anger better, and wonder about his fitness to judge others. But I still think we don't know the whole story, by a long shot. And I resent NBC's portraying only one side of the matter. (The judge is not commenting at this time, but I doubt that he would get as charitable an interview, had he appeared. He would probably be set up for ambush journalism. That is just my suspicion, and only offered as such.)

 

[Bat Guano]

Now that was sickening. If you did that to an arrestee you'd be criminally charged. The do it to someone you (allegedly) love? My kids got spanked, but it was infrequent, with an open hand and to make a point.

My dad spanked me a few times as a kid; I didn't like it much. But only an idiot would push it after the cosmic warning glare he was a master of.

 

[spearcrow]

Great ! No doubt another "devout christian" ...... Do you also follow the bibical directions on the disciplining of your wife and slaves ? Because the bible also give directions for how far you can go with beating your slaves .......

the ability to read and understand are different...all i'm saying on here.

 

[Bell Charter Oak Holsters]

I have to say I'm very surprised at the number of responses to this thread, trying to persuade others that because they were "whipped", "whomped", "switched", "whupped" or whatever else you want to call it, as a child, it made them a better person then and now. I hear banjo music in the background, fellas. Spanking a disobedient youngster is one thing, this is something else that shares no comparison. If you have to beat your 16 year old daughter into submission with a belt to correct or punish her, you blew it as a Father, a very long time ago. To justify the actions of that man by citing how much better the world would be if we all beat the **** out of our kids....just like we were beaten when we were kids....is about as dysfunctional as it gets. I don't think that's anything to be braggin' on. You may resume the music, cousin Earl.

Cheers;
Lefty

 

[Palmetto Sharpshooter]

Will there be a poll?

 

[glwt06]

My prosecutor's threshold for parental discipline/criminal action is any response with a closed fist or anything that leaves more than a very temporary mark. If by the time you respond to a call and get a chance to photograph it, if a mark is still there, it's too much.

I agree that there must be discipline. I think what is more important or effective then the occasional corporal punishment is ever present parents that are firm, fair and consistent. I see way too many examples of parents that don't care.

Perhaps the positive examples shown here by people responding are not completely the results of physical punishment, but more the results of the ever present discipline of involved parents.

??????

To answer the OP's question, I would have arrested him.

Paul

 

[glwt06]

Will there be a poll?

That's actually pretty funny.

Paul