National Association for Gun Rights

[plbrgene]

NAGR & Dudley Brown.
I'm not fully convinced this is or isn't a scam. but when an organization is always asking for donations, by using scare tactics I do have a red flag pop up.
Don't think they will be getting my dollars. If I donate it will be to a long established organization like the NRA of which I am a life member.

 

[hatt]

NAGR & Dudley Brown.
I'm not fully convinced this is or isn't a scam. but when an organization is always asking for donations, by using scare tactics I do have a red flag pop up.
Don't think they will be getting my dollars. If I donate it will be to a long established organization like the NRA of which I am a life member.

What happened to your red flag?

 

[jlrhiner]

Sounds like they have some sense. I'm going to have to check into them.

More importantly, what did your research turn up?

 

[hatt]

More importantly, what did your research turn up?

Didn't do any research.

 

[jlrhiner]

Really? (Do you have any names?)

 

[Pennyh31]

I saw something similar several months ago about this organization. I got an email today asking for volunteers to man their booth at the local gun show here in Vegas. I am a taxidermist, and one of my customers died in a plane crash in November. I had just delivered his safari to him and his sister has contacted me to help them sell the animals for the family. I thought manning a booth at the gun show may help me in that endeavor, although if this organization is a scam I really would not want for anyone to associate myself with them so may re-think my offer to volunteer. The man with the booth offer named Zack isn't supposed to call me back until tomorrow with details. I've only been in Vegas 1 year and the exposure might be good, but if this organization is a scam... well, that's not the kind of exposure I want. I would love to hear your thoughts.Ethics has always been first and formost in my business.

 

[jlrhiner]

My only involvement with them was the before mentioned email. I, personally, question the ethics of ANYONE using scare tactics to raise money. About the individuals involved in the organization, I have no knowledge except what I've read. I am continually amazed that people are worried about the UN coming to take away their guns, (refer to email alert). What are they going to do, send in the Bangladeshi army? Give me a break.

As far as you being involved with them, you'll have to decide that for your self. I would have nothing to do with them, but that's just me. YMMV.

 

[jlrhiner]

I agree with you. How do we check them out?

 

[colkid]

I live in Colorado and went to nafgr headquarters here in Colorado to stuff ballots once. There were many good quality people helping also.
Dudley years ago was a NRA rep., then he switched to GOA and now still runs the Colorado GOA.
He did a decent job (I think) helping to stop Colorado State University
in the Peoples Republic of Fort Collins from doing a gun ban on Campus.
He also has been active in trying to get good Concealed carry laws in
Colorado. Also getting good gun people elected to offices in Colorado.
I had the same question, Is he just double dipping with the NAFGR,
or is the NAFGR doing national things he can't do with the state GOA? The NAFGR and GOA emails were the
same.
I am a member of the National GOA and a NRA Endowment member.

 

[Martya]

I hope they are a genuine organization that supports efforts to keep gun possession a right. The 'fight' is heavily weighted towards the anti's. But if this is the intro letter I got I think I might consider directing my extremely limited resources somewhere else - both time and money.

It’s illegal for me to tell you which candidates the National Association for Gun Rights PAC supports. The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) and the Federal Election Commission (FEC) expressly forbid me from telling you which candidates are so solid on gun rights that I want you to help us help them.
It sounds crazy, I know.

Once you’re considered a “legal member of the Organization’s restricted class” I can tell you which candidates to support, and which anti-gunners to oppose.

I am not aware of the laws about this, but perhaps a better sales pitch would get more support. If they want my support, I don't need anyone to "tell" me who to vote for, I need someone to "tell" me which candidate THEY support and why. I'll make my own decisions.

 

[Recoil Rob]

Thay have been sending me emails every day. i have opted out using their "Unsubscribe" button at least a dozen times. I finally called and spoke to a young lady who told me she would remove me from the list manually. They still send emails daily.

Today I called back and gave them one last chance to take me off their list. I warned them that if I receive another email I will contact the FCC or whoever I need to. Maybe the NY Times, that ought to get their attention...


And I'm a new NRA Life Member...

 

[solid_celt]

Anything against the UN I'm all for.
I say:
Let's get the US out of the UN and get the UN out of the US !!!!!
SAVE our RIGHTS

 

[Lightning69]

NRA is the best investment. Why duplicate? Concentrate.

 

[emayfiel]

NAGR

Wikipedia has a pretty long description of the NAGR, and a lengthy list of sources for the info. If the Wiki article is right, NAGR has some merit.

NAGR does solicit donations in every correspondence, and too many times in each one. On the other hand, so does every other special-interest group I belong to. It's annoying, but money talks. NRA is the 2000-pound canary, but it supports some compromises in legislation that aren't in sync with the Second Amendment or rational considerations.

We belong to these special-interest groups so they can represent our interests and do the research, letter-writing, and lobbying that we aren't willing or able to do. There's no easy way to tell if any of them are cost-effective(except for the NRA which the media follow closely), unless someone or some government agency accuses them of fraud.

Each of these groups has a different focus. Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, for example, is a pedal-to-the-metal Second Amendment promoter, but its focus is strictly education. That doesn't mean it's not worth joining and supporting.

The best way to check out a group is to join, see what it does, ignore the constant money requests, and, then, quit if your focus is different.

 

[Moonman]

Shills and Touts keep coming to mind for some reason.

 

[mountaingun629]

Never heard of this outfit until this thread.
The NRA, GOA, Second Amendment Foundation, and The Citizens Committee For the Right to Keep and Bear Arms are established friends of gun owners.
Put your money on what works, not some fundraiser that seems intended more to make someone an income than a campaign for gun rights.
Look at the post count of the major shill for this outfit in this thread.
Nuff said,

Myron

 

[Alnamvet68]

Why do I get the feeling there's a scam going on here?

 

[etc1006]

I got tired of every email and petition asking for money. Unsubscribed from them.

 

[JenniferG]

If the organization is legit then contribute if you want. I belong to the NRA and have contributed to the SAF. I see those two as MY best choices to contribute to. Sure they all send out too much donation literature but now it's all email and I can "blip" and delete it if I'm not feeling it that day. Used to be my mailbox would be stuffed fulled of letters postcards and surveys. Email is easy to filter too if someone gets your address that keeps bothering you. Be careful though the FBI and the UN scan emails for key words like treaty, UN troops, Global bankers etc...

I can laugh now, I used to let all the conspiracy stuff eat me up. I didn't have to go to a 12 step program but I had to cut away from all that and take a different approach or let that stuff kill me. NRA and a SAF and my local gun club, it's enough for me. They do the work that's needed along with me bugging my reps with emails and phone calls. Gosh, no more black helicopters and UN takeovers of our National Parks they'll suck you right in. Screw that!!! Take that from a long time recovering helicopter watcher.

 

[Shootist1954]

I received an email today from the NAGR with the subject: "Why does the NRA want Obama to get your name?"

Then this Dudley Brown slams the NRA for selling out. Give me a break! I believe when organizations such as the NAGR start slamming any group such as the NRA, that is reason enough to be more than suspicious.

Roger