Round in the chamber ?
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You are correct. However pulling a trigger is as unsafe as it gets when the potential for kids or accidental trigger pull is present.
I will assure you that having the side safety has saved the lives of many LEO. If you have the gun, you automatically flip the safety when you pull it. The issue is in training and repetious movement. When I fire my 1911, either in duty or practice, my right thumb is resting on top of the safety.
I also assure you that you will love your 1911 more than any other gun you have ever owned.
jlrhiner
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IF you practice until proficient.
Chuck1217
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Someone menioned his fellow officer racking the shotgun with a round already there. It always strikes me as funny when the good guy on TV is fixin' to go into the fight, and before he turns the corner he pumps his shotgun and loads a round. Then when he gets around the corner, and confronts the bad guy, he pumps again- and no shell is ejected. Sorry to intrude on a serious thread, just couldn't help it. As for the question at hand- yes, my carry gun has a manual safety and there's a round in the chamber, on safe. My bedside gun does not have a safety, and it also has a round chambered. As does my pump shotgun- which I will not eject a perfectly good round from.
Any stats on weight trigger pull?
I am immensely enjoying the knowledge shared hers, would love to keep it current. One factor that comes into play with a shotgun is weight,inertia. For most,not generalizing here, but racking a round from the tube to chamber seems to be much easier quicker, than sliding a sweaty Glogk,Sig,ruger, browning, berless, or any small proportenionently 40 or 9 MM cal from empty to deadly.
I am immensely enjoying the knowledge shared hers, would love to keep it current. One factor that comes into play with a shotgun is weight,inertia. For most,not generalizing here, but racking a round from the tube to chamber seems to be much easier quicker, than sliding a sweaty Glogk,Sig,ruger, browning, berless, or any small proportenionently 40 or 9 MM cal from empty to deadly.
HCA
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Sure it is but a shotgun is difficult to conceal, less effective in a struggle and can be used against a person when turning it into leverage.
I assume you are speaking about a semi auto pistol.
I have spend four years in the US Military, two years in Ground Combat and almost thirty four years in Law Enforcement. For about half of my time in LE I carried a Semi Auto Pistol, both on and off duty. I've been retired eight year, since 55 yoa and I still carry if I leave the house.
I can not concieve of not carrying a handgun without a round in the Chamber. Whether in Military Combat, in LE or as a Citizens carrying a SD Gun. Makes no sense to me.
My wife and I have three children and they were raised at an early age to respect firearms. My cases put folks on death row and executed them. I had folks who didn't like me. I had several loaded guns around my house. When I carried revolvers all the chambers were loaded. In the semi auto pistols and shotguns, the chamber was empty. The minute the pistols went on my hip, the chamber had a round in it.
Just the way it worked for me.
I ask my children once after they became adults if they ever picked up and looked at the handguns and shotguns I had around the house. They looked at me and laughed. They said, "Hell No! If you had found finger prints on one of them, you would've made us clean all of them again."
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I have spend four years in the US Military, two years in Ground Combat and almost thirty four years in Law Enforcement. For about half of my time in LE I carried a Semi Auto Pistol, both on and off duty. I've been retired eight year, since 55 yoa and I still carry if I leave the house.
I can not concieve of not carrying a handgun without a round in the Chamber. Whether in Military Combat, in LE or as a Citizens carrying a SD Gun. Makes no sense to me.
My wife and I have three children and they were raised at an early age to respect firearms. My cases put folks on death row and executed them. I had folks who didn't like me. I had several loaded guns around my house. When I carried revolvers all the chambers were loaded. In the semi auto pistols and shotguns, the chamber was empty. The minute the pistols went on my hip, the chamber had a round in it.
Just the way it worked for me.
I ask my children once after they became adults if they ever picked up and looked at the handguns and shotguns I had around the house. They looked at me and laughed. They said, "Hell No! If you had found finger prints on one of them, you would've made us clean all of them again."
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I do not worry about those I testify against. It is their families, friends and fellow gangbangers that carry hard feelings. Retaliation comes from those you might not know but those who know you well. For that reason, I avoid concerts, fairs and other large public gatherings.
TexasArmed
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I do not own a shotgun, might get one if I think I need one for home defense. I keep my S&W 625-5 4" 45 loaded with 6 rounds, and a CA 44 Spl Bullgo 3" loaded (holds five), and my S&W 642-1 Airweight Stainless steel 38 Spl loaded (holds five).
All my revolvers only fire if the trigger is pulled, or hammer is cocked and trigger pulled. I have not given a lot of thought to whether I would keep a round chambered in a shotgun. If I bought a shotgun it would be a 12 G Pump with capacity of five. I am always armed, even at home, no small kids, wear two openly, one concealed. Even a trip to shower, my S&W 38 Spl Stainless Airweight accompanies me. Although I live in an area with a bad reputation, I feel that I am fully able to stop any intruder. I spend a lot of money practicing at the range frequently, and for accessories for my revolvers. I always carry where I can legally carry, and do not carry where I cannot legally carry. I really hate having to disarm and leave a gun in a vehicle.
All my revolvers only fire if the trigger is pulled, or hammer is cocked and trigger pulled. I have not given a lot of thought to whether I would keep a round chambered in a shotgun. If I bought a shotgun it would be a 12 G Pump with capacity of five. I am always armed, even at home, no small kids, wear two openly, one concealed. Even a trip to shower, my S&W 38 Spl Stainless Airweight accompanies me. Although I live in an area with a bad reputation, I feel that I am fully able to stop any intruder. I spend a lot of money practicing at the range frequently, and for accessories for my revolvers. I always carry where I can legally carry, and do not carry where I cannot legally carry. I really hate having to disarm and leave a gun in a vehicle.
How can a guy in TX not own a scattergun? Do not let others know about the shortcomings in your life. Your TX residency card may be pulled.
I bought one of those tactical shotguns many years ago. Still have not fired it. Got plenty of hunting shotguns so I was stupid for buying it.
People fail to consider how badly a shotgun destroys walls, furniture and such when fired indoors. While they can do some damage to a person, they are not the end all in protection. Most here can do more human damage with one well placed round from a nice handgun and not have all the extended damage that comes with a shotgun blast.
Many here have worked interior shotgun shootings. They can attest to the damage they cause. I saw one elderly lady that shot at a guy she thought was breaking in to her home. Her nice sofa, a window and a wall next to the window were toast. Damage was over $1000 and if there was a guy at the window, he must not have been hit since there was no blood and the dog could not get a scent.
Arik
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IF I keep it loaded there is one in the chamber...ALWAYS! Sometimes there isnt enough time for "shock value"
Hi:
A fellow officer (Investigator) carried a personal owned semi-auto in condition 3.
During the 1972 riot he returned to his vehicle alone for another piece of equipment. At his vehicle he was jumped by two BGs and took to the ground. He was able to get one hand free and reach his weapon, but was not able to fire because of negative round in the chamber. LEARNING LESSON!
I am not a fan of the warning sound of chambering a round in my shotgun. The only warning the BG is going to receive is his/her head blowing apart.
A fellow officer (Investigator) carried a personal owned semi-auto in condition 3.
During the 1972 riot he returned to his vehicle alone for another piece of equipment. At his vehicle he was jumped by two BGs and took to the ground. He was able to get one hand free and reach his weapon, but was not able to fire because of negative round in the chamber. LEARNING LESSON!
I am not a fan of the warning sound of chambering a round in my shotgun. The only warning the BG is going to receive is his/her head blowing apart.
olwogo
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cornscoop!
The reason they couldn't find the guy was because they weren't looking in the right place. He was probably in the nearest barn cleaning his britches out with a cornscoop!
The reason they couldn't find the guy was because they weren't looking in the right place. He was probably in the nearest barn cleaning his britches out with a cornscoop!
TexasArmed
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Guess that might be because I was not born here. I just am more into handguns, having bought 4 of them in the past 2 years. I own a S&W 625-5 4" 45 Long Colt, a CA 44 Spl Bulldog, a S&W 38 Spl airweight, and a Taurus 851 38 Spl. I practice with them which is expensive, as I use factory rounds. I will however buy anything I need to buy to add to my home defense if necessary. Gangs coming north with AK-47's come to mind. Whatever happens, I will arm myself as well as the BG's. My living quarters are quite small, one way in, one way out, and I am not likely to miss with my S&W 45 at close range. I giuess I figure my S&W 45 will put a big enough hole in them as well as my CA 44 Spl Bulldog, that I don't really need a scatter gun. I will admit that I have thought about buying a 12 G Pump shotgun.
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my take on the subject
Years ago the Coast Guard (and other agencies as well) considered the sound of a round being chambered in a pump shotgun to be a "warning" shot. Although it is an intimidating sound it also says - I'm empty to the bad guy, giving them a split second's advantage.
I used to carry my Colt Combat Commander hammer down on a loaded chamber, cocking the hammer on the draw, something I practiced alot. Some years ago I re-evaluated my off-duty carry options, and started swimming with the rest of the fish, carrying locked, cocked, and loaded, with a round in the chamber.
I figured that with so many carrying that way so safely then what was I doing wrong!
My wife and I live with our 115# German "Early Warning System" Shepard; loaded handguns in the nightstands (and one on top of the nightstand) and both a 12 gauge shotgun and a Sig 556 near at hand, full magazine/mag tube, with an empty chamber. I can live with the shotgun being unloaded, I am confident that I have more then ample time to chamber a round then call 911 for an ambulance for the bad guy(s) who were severely mauled by my German Shepard!
Years ago the Coast Guard (and other agencies as well) considered the sound of a round being chambered in a pump shotgun to be a "warning" shot. Although it is an intimidating sound it also says - I'm empty to the bad guy, giving them a split second's advantage.
I used to carry my Colt Combat Commander hammer down on a loaded chamber, cocking the hammer on the draw, something I practiced alot. Some years ago I re-evaluated my off-duty carry options, and started swimming with the rest of the fish, carrying locked, cocked, and loaded, with a round in the chamber.
I figured that with so many carrying that way so safely then what was I doing wrong!
My wife and I live with our 115# German "Early Warning System" Shepard; loaded handguns in the nightstands (and one on top of the nightstand) and both a 12 gauge shotgun and a Sig 556 near at hand, full magazine/mag tube, with an empty chamber. I can live with the shotgun being unloaded, I am confident that I have more then ample time to chamber a round then call 911 for an ambulance for the bad guy(s) who were severely mauled by my German Shepard!
WIKD
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Both of my usual carry weapons, Glock 36 and Colt Defender, have a round in the chamber with my Colt Defender carried "cocked and locked".
Seneca
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For home defense I have a Mossberg 500 HD version with 4 in the tube and one in the chamber leaning against the wall on my side of the bed. As for the shock value of racking a 12 gauge, I much prefer that the last sound the BG hears is the Mossberg choir singing " Nearer my God to Thee".
OLDFED
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Various modes...
depending on what and where it is. Back in my "on the job" days, I had occasion to enter a high school in the wee hours when a silent alarm sounded. When I shouted, "POLICE", everyone ran. When I racked the 870, everyone stopped. 'Nuf said.
depending on what and where it is. Back in my "on the job" days, I had occasion to enter a high school in the wee hours when a silent alarm sounded. When I shouted, "POLICE", everyone ran. When I racked the 870, everyone stopped. 'Nuf said.
I am comfortable carrying a 1911 with it loaded, cocked, locked and on safe. Never have heard of one going off unintentionally.
Has any one heard of a 1911 in such condition ever going off accidentally?
Also I am comfortable with any other gun in the same way as long as the safety works as well as revolvers if they are drop safe.
Has any one heard of a 1911 in such condition ever going off accidentally?
Also I am comfortable with any other gun in the same way as long as the safety works as well as revolvers if they are drop safe.
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