5Wire
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So you say. Why?
Why have a thumb safety on an M&P Pistol!
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If you think you're going to have enough time to draw, rack the slide & get on target before the threat reaches you your a better man than I. The first thing that goes in a high stress situation is your fine motor skills. FACT
5Wire
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I'm not saying you're wrong. Just pointing out there are no rules of when attack might be coming or how quickly. Making any kind of assumption can easily be mistaken. How do you know an advancing person is a threat? How do you determine in advance how much time you will need?
Most defensive gun uses don't involve firing the gun. What role does situational awareness play?
Most defensive gun uses don't involve firing the gun. What role does situational awareness play?
hexnut
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Racking a slide before someone who turns out to not be a threat will get you a brandishing charge.
I can't speak for others but any gun that I carry regularly stays loaded unless I am cleaning it.
There is no question that my EDC is loaded
hexnut
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That is a fact. You can bet the farm that he won't have to rack his.
SMMAssociates
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I had an XD9SC with a grip safety. I kept managing to depress it while holstering....
I have an M&P9C with a thumb safety. IMHO, the thing is too big to hope to avoid accidental disengagement, although it would be unusual.
Note that most striker-fired guns could be discharged by trying to hammer a nail with it if there's no "drop safety" such as the ones that S&W uses on the M&P pistols. Many years ago, I had a little Browning semi-auto in .25ACP. No drop safety.... I really should have kept it, but that one could fire if dropped.
The thumb safety on the Shield is a bit too stiff for my liking, but I'm a 1911 guy, so it's not the end of the world.
(I could remove it easily enough, but I'm a believer in not removing factory-installed safety devices.)
(When I bought the Shield, I couldn't find one without the thumb safety.)
Guess I should buy another one
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Regards,
I have an M&P9C with a thumb safety. IMHO, the thing is too big to hope to avoid accidental disengagement, although it would be unusual.
Note that most striker-fired guns could be discharged by trying to hammer a nail with it if there's no "drop safety" such as the ones that S&W uses on the M&P pistols. Many years ago, I had a little Browning semi-auto in .25ACP. No drop safety.... I really should have kept it, but that one could fire if dropped.
The thumb safety on the Shield is a bit too stiff for my liking, but I'm a 1911 guy, so it's not the end of the world.
(I could remove it easily enough, but I'm a believer in not removing factory-installed safety devices.)
(When I bought the Shield, I couldn't find one without the thumb safety.)
Guess I should buy another one
....Regards,
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I think S&W is smart for offering the option of a safety on the M&P. If you don't want it purchase one without, but if for any of several reasons, you want it, you can have the safety.
You may call them "gun dumb" but there are a lot of people that may be new to guns that want an additional measure of safety. If the added safety measure helps give them the confidence to learn more, to handle the gun more, and to carry then I see it as a good thing.
You may call them "gun dumb" but there are a lot of people that may be new to guns that want an additional measure of safety. If the added safety measure helps give them the confidence to learn more, to handle the gun more, and to carry then I see it as a good thing.
I prefer having a manual safety and also have nothing against those that do not want one. The majority of my pistols all have a safety except for a few. Even my newer sw686+ has a lock and find no problem having it. I have options when i dont want the safety on and/or if i feel i need it off it is so simple to take care of so no issue at all.
hexnut
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Now some they do and some they don't
And some you just can't tell
And some they will and some they won't
With some it's just as well...Supertramp
And some you just can't tell
And some they will and some they won't
With some it's just as well...Supertramp
Good bye stranger. It's been nice, hope you find your paradise
Jaysq
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Every time a Glock owner shoots himself when he gets something caught in the trigger guard while holstering is a reminder to me why I like the safety on my guns.
If safety is being Gun Dumb so be it.
If safety is being Gun Dumb so be it.
Personally my wife feels better if there is a safety on my firearms. Some of mine do and some don't, but she is much more comfortable with the ones that do while there in the house. And i do use them when out shooting with the kids. Its easy to put the safety on when I set down a firearm to assist one of the children. A little better piece of mind. But not everyone is in the same sitution, so I am greatful for choices on the M&P, you get one with or without.
Situational awareness is your best friend. Bad Guys on the street are really pretty dumb. If I see four guys with tats and hoodies and I cross the street and they do too it's time to be very prepared. In the winter months besides my EDC I keep my 642.38+P with internal hammer,loaded with Gold Dot Short Barrel ammo in my right flap pocket of my LL Bean field coat. No one thinks walking around with you hands in your pocket is threading. That's five rounds without even showing your firearm. Just point and shoot.
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Why does it matter? If you buy one with a safety, it is easily removed.
The reason I have one is for reholstering. There have been quite a number of ND's resulting in ventilated legs of LEO's, most of them courtesy of striker fired weapons without safeties. There have been cases of debris, strings, fingers (yes, operator error) causing ND's during reholstering. Videos have shown that people (mostly police officers*) who have perfect finger and muzzle discipline at the range will often violate both disciplines in high stress situations.
* Not because they're the worst offenders, but because they're the people who are most likely to be video'ed during a shootout, so there's a lot of such video out there.
BTW, after I reholster, I don't care if the safety is on or off. The holster becomes my safety. Also, I like it because it operates the same as my 1911.
The reason I have one is for reholstering. There have been quite a number of ND's resulting in ventilated legs of LEO's, most of them courtesy of striker fired weapons without safeties. There have been cases of debris, strings, fingers (yes, operator error) causing ND's during reholstering. Videos have shown that people (mostly police officers*) who have perfect finger and muzzle discipline at the range will often violate both disciplines in high stress situations.
* Not because they're the worst offenders, but because they're the people who are most likely to be video'ed during a shootout, so there's a lot of such video out there.
BTW, after I reholster, I don't care if the safety is on or off. The holster becomes my safety. Also, I like it because it operates the same as my 1911.
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HA, because they think that you are accountable to them. And don't forget, they are from the tribe of people who like to tell others what to do.
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Because they belong to the tribe of people who like to tell others what to do.
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