New M&P 15 Sport...WOW!

[MPDC]

This may be a stupid question, but does the sport use a mil-spec stock or commercial-spec? I've looked everywhere and can't find the answer and I really don't want to take it all apart just to find out.
Also, how hard is it to switch out the grips? I'm looking at buying a new one from Magpul but it'd be nice to know if its something I can do myself.

Mil spec stock. Simple hand guard switch is fast and easy. Your manual has directions as will the new HG.

 

[crracer_712]

wow, we can only hunt dear with shotguns here, no rifles at all...

Yep, here in Kansas, they require .23 or larger bullet. You can use shotgun, 20 gauge or larger slug. They have an exception for Elk (I had no idea we had Elk??). They require .25 or larger and a 12 gauge.

 

[oneyeopn]

Yep, here in Kansas, they require .23 or larger bullet. You can use shotgun, 20 gauge or larger slug. They have an exception for Elk (I had no idea we had Elk??). They require .25 or larger and a 12 gauge.

crracer, here in SW Kansas I can take you down the road and show you elk almost any time. I know where there are a couple of small herds ranging but I don't feel we have enough to hunt yet. I do believe that in Kansas you should be required to take a doe before you are allowed to take a buck. We have way to many does and the out of state hunters with the big bucks have way too much ground leased out for hunting and are only looking for bucks!

 

[oneyeopn]

wow, we can only hunt dear with shotguns here, no rifles at all...

At the ranges that we shoot for deer a shotgun would never reach that far. I took my big fat doe this year with an almost 400 yard shot, using my Mauser98a custom!!

 

[crracer_712]

crracer, here in SW Kansas I can take you down the road and show you elk almost any time. I know where there are a couple of small herds ranging but I don't feel we have enough to hunt yet. I do believe that in Kansas you should be required to take a doe before you are allowed to take a buck. We have way to many does and the out of state hunters with the big bucks have way too much ground leased out for hunting and are only looking for bucks!

Most of my family has some land in the country in SE Kansas, be it aunts/unlces, cousnins or whatever. We have one cousin that's constantly broke and likes to lease to or provide hunts for those rich out of state guys. He gets all kinds of pissy when the rest of us don't let him hunt on our land.

I've been to the Gunnison area of Colorado to Elk hunk, have Pheasant hunt out west (you guys have some really big deer out there!). Glad to hear there are Elk out there, I hope they can manage it right. Around here, Deer and Turkey are more common than Squirrels. I have counted as many as 32 deer on my place, two different heards. I've never shot one on my place, lol, I have not idea why.

 

[TangoFoxtrot]

In my part of the state whitetail bucks have been reduced to smaller body weighs and small racks, due to mismanagement of the game commission and too many licenses issued. A one time it was one deer per season per weapon now its like three. With my state its all about selling as many licenses without wildlife management responsibility. WOW sorry off topic.
Anyway I wish we able to at least hunt some species with an AR platform..but no dice.. no semi autos.

 

[Capt Crunch]

Deer population here in WNY has grown huge and in fact this past season they did allow Rifles for the first time in years, in an attempt to cull the population. However some idiot was too close to a road and accidentally shot a school bus while hunting so it looks like this will the end of that and we will be back to shotgun next year.

 

[crracer_712]

There's one in every crowd

 

[Joninwv]

I want to say kudos to the young guy above for posting a picture of himself without wearing some ridiculously stupid ski mask or "tactical" nomex hood or some ****. Good job.

 

[JaPes]

This may be a stupid question, but does the sport use a mil-spec stock or commercial-spec? I've looked everywhere and can't find the answer and I really don't want to take it all apart just to find out.
Also, how hard is it to switch out the grips? I'm looking at buying a new one from Magpul but it'd be nice to know if its something I can do myself.

No question is stupid.

The 15-Sport uses a mil-spec buffer tube.

Installing the MOE hand guard was easy.

Pull down on the delta ring. I pulled down one side at a time by hand. Remove old hand guard, then install the Magpul MOE hand guard in the order specified in the instructions.

 

[JaPes]

"Maybe I'll build an AR chambered for 300 AAC Blackout...machined lower...match trigger...gas piston... chrome lined everything...full length gas system...free float quad rail.." by JaPes

Dude I dont want you to think I am disrespecting you, but, you should really read up on the melonite process. I believe you would throw the chrome lined everything out the window...other than that and the caliber I am with you all the way. I think I would like to build one in 243 myself. (legal for deer in Kansas)

No disrespect taken.

I'm well aware of the salt bath ferritic nitrocarburizing process case hardening process known as Tenifer (Glock) and Melonite (S&W).

The issue is that the Tenifer/Melonite treatment isn't commonly performed on AR barrels. S&W is the only manufacturer I'm aware of that offers it.

If I'm going to build a 300 BLK, .308, etc... I want the properties that a chrome lined barrel will provide.

S&W does sell a M&P 15 upper chambered in 300 Whisper that uses a 4140 steel, Melonite treated barrel. It can chamber the 300 BLK, but I want a barrel specifically chambered for 300 BLK.

...but these plans are a long way out. Before I dump money on my "dream" build, I want to have a bunch more fun with my two AR 5.56 platforms first. The ammo is much more affordable.

 

[oneyeopn]

No disrespect taken.

I'm well aware of the salt bath ferritic nitrocarburizing process case hardening process known as Tenifer (Glock) and Melonite (S&W).

The issue is that the Tenifer/Melonite treatment isn't commonly performed on AR barrels. S&W is the only manufacturer I'm aware of that offers it.

If I'm going to build a 300 BLK, .308, etc... I want the properties that a chrome lined barrel will provide.

S&W does sell a M&P 15 upper chambered in 300 Whisper that uses a 4140 steel, Melonite treated barrel. It can chamber the 300 BLK, but I want a barrel specifically chambered for 300 BLK.

...but these plans are a long way out. Before I dump money on my "dream" build, I want to have a bunch more fun with my two AR 5.56 platforms first. The ammo is much more affordable.

JaPes...Here I am a little slow, but can you tell me what those properties are? After my studies the melonite beat hard chrome in every category. My last post in the thread of Sport Barrel Specs thread lists some serious 3rd party treatise on Melonite and how it compares to other type of metal treatments, plating and materials. But up until last week I didn't even know it existed so I have been playing catch up and may have missed something that fell through the cracks or wasn't discussed in the material that I read. Thanks for your patience.

 

[JaPes]

JaPes...Here I am a little slow, but can you tell me what those properties are? After my studies the melonite beat hard chrome in every category. My last post in the thread of Sport Barrel Specs thread lists some serious 3rd party treatise on Melonite and how it compares to other type of metal treatments, plating and materials. But up until last week I didn't even know it existed so I have been playing catch up and may have missed something that fell through the cracks or wasn't discussed in the material that I read. Thanks for your patience.

Oneyeopn,

My intention was not to imply that the Melonite barrel treatment is inferior to Chrome lining. IMO in a .223/5.56, a Melonite treated barrel is preferable to a chrome lined barrel. Chrome lining adds a little material to the barrel & rifling, diminishing accuracy. The Melonite treatment imparts properties similar to chrome lining, without diminishing accuracy.

In the particular case of the new 300 BLK, all of the complete uppers I've found have 4150 CMV chrome lined barrels. Therefore, I have no real choice in the matter.

If there was a 4150 CMV non-chrome lined barreled 300 BLK upper, I'd still opt for the chrome lined one just for the properties chrome lining provides (hardness, corrosion resistance, ease of cleaning, longevity, etc...)

 

[TangoFoxtrot]

IMHO I think the mil-spec marketing standard is going away due to new manufacturer inovations in technology in the AR platform.

 

[rebs081]

IMHO I think the mil-spec marketing standard is going away due to new manufacturer inovations in technology in the AR platform.

I agree, technology is always moving forward and the old mil spec isn't going to be here forever. As long as they all keep mil spec as far as interchangeable parts and just advance processes I think all will be fine. Such as the case of chrome lined vs melonite

 

[wihunter]

I love my Sport, I changed the gas block and added the Magpul furniture

 

[TangoFoxtrot]

I agree, technology is always moving forward and the old mil spec isn't going to be here forever. As long as they all keep mil spec as far as interchangeable parts and just advance processes I think all will be fine. Such as the case of chrome lined vs melonite

Yes sir, absolutely!

 

[TangoFoxtrot]

I love my Sport, I changed the gas block and added the Magpul furniture

Nice job! I'm going to do that down the line.

 

[jeeps]

Just added a Aimpoint sc9000,burris mounts,6 more Magazines+ 500 rds of ball ammo. Thats all I need. Down the road more ammo and a sling thats it,nothing else needed. Perfection

 

[TangoFoxtrot]

I want to upgrade my sling too. Perhaps a Vickers Tactical.