Annoyed at S&W

[cshoff]

LOL.....I hear ya tough guy. Maybe if you knew the extent of our agency's problems you would be able to speak a little more intelligently about OUR (not exclusively MY) problems.

FYI, ALL of our agency's guns were recalled. EVERY single one. Some guys are on their fourth and fifth gun. But I guess I still don't know what I'm talking about. Maybe go back and re-read what I wrote. I never said I wasnt a fan EXCLUSIVELY because of.my experiences. Remember reading is fundamental.

We (again, the agency not just me) suffered sights that fell off, failure to fire, extract, eject, and feed. Profuse rust, premature wear, and deterioration of the polymer around the hole the grip pin goes in. S&W and the distributor exchanged all (again, the entire agency's not just mine) of our guns. We have further exchanged guns that were exchanged once and sometimes twice.

I understand people get sensitve when another criticizes products/choices they make. Don't take it so personal guy. Im tickled yours is everything you want it to be and more. Mine not so much.

I see you've tried to tone down your rhetoric a bit. Just a few minutes ago, they were "all junk".

I agree with you, reading is fundamental. You might try it sometime, "tough guy". I never said you didn't know what you were talking about (which you would realize if you would have read my reply), only that your attitude is the likely reason people don't take your accusations seriously (which you would realize if you would read YOUR OWN post).

I have no personal attachment to my M&P at all. It is simply another tool at my disposal. So I'm not "sensitive" at all about whatever critique of the M&P you may or may not have. I was simply pointing out to you the reasons why, in your own words:

"Everyone here tells me I'm crazy, there's no way the M&P is junk etc."

It's your attitude, not the gun. It seems that you may be just a bit more "sensitive" than you accused me of being, no?

 

[Sinkhole30]

One might ask the same type of questions as to why you are taking such a derogatory tone. Because obviously, since YOUR gun had a problem, that, by default, makes every other M&P that was ever made, a piece of "junk", right? Never mind the fact that many people are happy with their M&P's, right? Since you've proclaimed them "junk", they must be.

The problem is, even if what you claim is true, the tone you've taken sounds more like sour grapes than anything else, and will probably be treated as such by most of the people who read your reply. I would guess your attitude is the reason why you aren't being taken seriously.

I agree totally. Using the same rational, Every Glock is a piece of junk because my brother in laws G26 was a problematic gun.

 

[Sinkhole30]

LOL.....I hear ya tough guy. Maybe if you knew the extent of our agency's problems you would be able to speak a little more intelligently about OUR (not exclusively MY) problems.

FYI, ALL of our agency's guns were recalled. EVERY single one. Some guys are on their fourth and fifth gun. But I guess I still don't know what I'm talking about. Maybe go back and re-read what I wrote. I never said I wasnt a fan EXCLUSIVELY because of.my experiences. Remember reading is fundamental.

We (again, the agency not just me) suffered sights that fell off, failure to fire, extract, eject, and feed. Profuse rust, premature wear, and deterioration of the polymer around the hole the grip pin goes in. S&W and the distributor exchanged all (again, the entire agency's not just mine) of our guns. We have further exchanged guns that were exchanged once and sometimes twice.

I understand people get sensitve when another criticizes products/choices they make. Don't take it so personal guy. Im tickled yours is everything you want it to be and more. Mine not so much.

Sounds like an interesting assortment of problems. Some of the things you state, not all, would be indicative of lack of care and possibly abuse. Rust is definitely an indication of lack of maintenance. I have many friends that are LEOs with different departments and I hear some horror stories about how some officers don't care for their "issued" duty weapons. I'm sure if you looked deep into it you would find that there are officers in your dept. that abuse or neglect their issued weapon. My LGS gets police trade ins frequently and they are always the most beat up looking gun's in the used case. Kind of funny that this happens seeing as your life could depend on it. But as I've stated before no weapon is perfect and failures will happen, with any manufacturer and model, so I guess their all junk.

 

[catcus-jack]

vector you need a high point sounds as if it will suit your needs.

 

[4506517]

LMAO........ thanks guys, the Kool-Aid is great!

OP, sorry to hijack the thread....I'll let the brain trust get back to telling you you're wrong to have an opinion....

Remember......its a great gun........LOL....

 

[MMA_FAN]

It is never good to tell the choir their music sucks. They will just sing louder and tell you to listen more closely. Some people like fords some people like cheveys. Yada yada yada... Sorry you did not get what you expected or wanted out of that M&P you rented. Since you went ahead and bought the Glock I am sincerely happy for you. You got the one that made you happy.

What i am still failing to get is why would you come to this forum to post a very long rant about how crappy the M&P is in your opinion. And why would you draw your rock solid conclusion after firing a range rental. As for the police officer that highjacked this thread ...At least your agency keeps you well supplied. Some of the hillbilly agencies would just say put some oil on that rust and catch some more bad guys.

 

[jaykellogg]

Thanks for sharing your experiences. I tend to filter both positive and negative feedback. I visit other forums that feature guns I have or guns I like. I avoided buying a Diamondback DB9 because of disastrous reviews. I am not a LEO, I bought a M&P22 and liked it so well I bought a M&P9. I found out afterward the two guns aren't really mechanically similar at all. The reason I bought is ergonomics. I know better than to trash the Glock. AFAIK, Glocks are fine weapons, but they don't fit my hand at all. I have read many bad reviews of Kimbers, and I had a quality issue with my Ultra CDP II that a local gunsmith resolved for $40. If you just read the reviews, you might assume I was stupid to pay $1200 for my Kimber. However, I love the gun and it probably won't ever be for sale as long as I can shoot. I also have a Kel Tec PF-9. Again, there are a lot of negative reviews. It is my go to carry weapon. I actually like to shoot it, but it isn't made to be shot every week. Other than a bent ejector which was replaced free by Kel Tec mine has been trouble free.

Regarding the M&P9, mine is relatively new. My hand fits the weapon like it was designed for my hand. Mine shot dead nuts on at 7 yards right out of the box. In the near future plan to buy another mag or two (along with some 22 mags when I find them). I also plan to buy a carry holster. If I could only own one handgun it'd be a 1911, but the M&P has a place in my (small) arsenal.

 

[elm_creek_smith]

Well, personally I think the police should get back to carrying real guns: revolvers! I just turned in my Glock 22 for a S&W 686 and couldn't be happier! I'm also bucking the nylon trend and wearing black basketweave duty gear.

ECS

 

[cshoff]

LMAO........ thanks guys, the Kool-Aid is great!

OP, sorry to hijack the thread....I'll let the brain trust get back to telling you you're wrong to have an opinion....

Remember......its a great gun........LOL....

Yeah, and it appears as though you like to keep drinking that Kool Aid. Re-read my post again. I never, not once, said you were wrong to have an opinion - in fact, I never said the opinion you have is wrong. I simply said the way you presented your opinion (your poor attitude), is why people weren't taking you seriously.

To use your own words again, "reading is fundamental"........Try it sometime, you might actually be able to pull your head out long enough to take a breath of fresh air.

 

[old&slow]

I guess that's why they make so many different models of firearms. Folks can find one the fits them and that they like.

I have a couple Glocks. Don't really like they way they fit my hand. I think they copied the styling from the Lowe's lumber yard, 2x4 section. But I think they are the most reliable out of the box firearm I have ever seen.

I have a couple S&W M&P's. They fit my hand pretty good. I've never had a dimes worth of trouble with them. They shoot pretty good. After shooting a couple mags. thru my M&P , my 82 yr. old father said he wanted one. He really liked it.
I did see one come back to the gun store with a loose front sight. you could move it with your fingers ,, I told the guy it was their new quick adjust front sight. Then replaced the firearm and the defective one sent back to S&W.

I don't have a XD but I've shot them, seems like a pretty nice firearm.

I actually prefer my 1911's & STI's. They fit my hand perfect. They shoot great. I love my 1911's
But, sometimes they might need a little tuning before they want to run right.

And I carry a J frame S&W.
Different strokes for different folks ,, Get one that you like and fits you ,, practice ,, have fun..
I never cared for the one size fits all approach.

 

[vector16]

And what idiot engineer/designer came up with the idea of a slide forwarding upon magazine insertion? Why... it can take seconds off a reload and who in the world needs that?

I just don't understand why S&W would design a gun with THAT kind of reliability or have a trigger that gets better every time you fire it!

Randy

1st of all they skide is not suppossed to close like that. Its a mistake. If they messed up that they messed up something else too. Oh wait you poited out that as well. The trigger changes everytime you pull it.
Why would anyone want a gun that the trigger pull is not consistant? Why would anyoune want a gun that you never know for sure how the gun is going to act EVERYTIME you pick it up.
For the one that commented about this, I do have a Hi-point. Its a great gun.
For those that are saying I don't like S&W as a whole, you are wrong. I own a Sigma, its the most reliable, best made gun I have shoty in a while with 20K+ rounds and not one malfunction. I said I was disipointed with the M&P. If you people that want to throw all your haye at me and condesending attitudes in my direction I can go to all new lengths for you. The Glock was good at the range. For me it still and unproven weapon for me. As I stated before I need to put a few hundred boxes of ammo down range with the after market barrel to be able to give a final opinion.
I really hate "Glock Owners" and their arrogant attitudes. But now I see there are just as many of M&P Owners. I pointed out some of the thing S&W could do to get my buisness back in the future and then I get a smit load of flak for sharing the reasons why I did not buy thye M&P to begin with, even though I really want one for the reasons you all have pointed out, being reliable and good looking. This was not the case. Glock had what I wanted in a 9mm this time. Maybe it will be SIG that has what I want in a .357 or CZ I want in a 380 or maybe Colt for the .44.
Sorry, Smith Die hards, asw I told they Glock Owners, "They are not the only game in town. Get over it.

 

[vector16]

What i am still failing to get is why would you come to this forum to post a very long rant about how crappy the M&P is in your opinion. And why would you draw your rock solid conclusion after firing a range rental.

Well, I like the name S&W I think for the majority of their guns they make one of the best products out there. I have posted about wanting the M&P for the last 2 months and with this experience i was very disapointed.

 

[cshoff]

1st of all they skide is not suppossed to close like that. Its a mistake. If they messed up that they messed up something else too. Oh wait you poited out that as well. The trigger changes everytime you pull it.
Why would anyone want a gun that the trigger pull is not consistant? Why would anyoune want a gun that you never know for sure how the gun is going to act EVERYTIME you pick it up.
For the one that commented about this, I do have a Hi-point. Its a great gun.
For those that are saying I don't like S&W as a whole, you are wrong. I own a Sigma, its the most reliable, best made gun I have shoty in a while with 20K+ rounds and not one malfunction. I said I was disipointed with the M&P. If you people that want to throw all your haye at me and condesending attitudes in my direction I can go to all new lengths for you. The Glock was good at the range. For me it still and unproven weapon for me. As I stated before I need to put a few hundred boxes of ammo down range with the after market barrel to be able to give a final opinion.
I really hate "Glock Owners" and their arrogant attitudes. But now I see there are just as many of M&P Owners. I pointed out some of the thing S&W could do to get my buisness back in the future and then I get a smit load of flak for sharing the reasons why I did not buy thye M&P to begin with, even though I really want one for the reasons you all have pointed out, being reliable and good looking. This was not the case. Glock had what I wanted in a 9mm this time. Maybe it will be SIG that has what I want in a .357 or CZ I want in a 380 or maybe Colt for the .44.
Sorry, Smith Die hards, asw I told they Glock Owners, "They are not the only game in town. Get over it.

Glocks will sometimes "auto forward" as well (I have two of them they do it fairly consistently - a G22 and a G23). In addition, you'll be hard pressed to find any gun with a trigger that doesn't change to some degree over time as it becomes worn. Such is the nature of mechanical devices and machined and stamped parts. They wear, and when they do, things change to some degree.

Personally, I think you did just fine with your selection process. You tried out several models you were considering and picked the one you thought met your criteria the best. I don't know how anyone could find fault in that. As old&slow pointed out above, that is why there are so many different makes and models of handguns out there - because we all have different likes/dislikes when you get right down to it.

What I took exception to in this thread was the attitude from one of the posters who used his limited experience to espouse absolutes that he applied to every M&P. It's simply preposterous. Yep, there are some M&P's out there that have had some problems, no doubt. There are some Sigma's out there that have had some problems as well. Some Glocks, some S&W revolvers, some Rugers, some Kimbers, etc, etc, etc, etc. Still, there are many of those same makes/models out there that have been essentially problem-free and have worked per design. Speaking in absolutes will nearly always make a person wrong in some way. Speaking in absolutes with a poor attitude will nearly always make a person wrong AND dismissed as being bitter.

 

[stainless1911]

I like when I put a mag in, the slide shuts by itself.

 

[ares338]

M&P 9c

I only have put 150 rounds through this pistol but it has performed flawlessly so far. The size is perfect for me to carry concealed. Everyone has their own likes and dislikes and I like this pistol!

 

[vector16]

Personally, I think you did just fine with your selection process.

I thought so as well. all the ones that don't agree, its their first gun. they don't know any better.

 

[BuckeyeChuck]

I actually prefer my 1911's & STI's.

I love my father-in-law's STi GP6c. He was disappointed when I bought my M&P9, but I bought what I wanted.

My M&P9 has been a fabulous gun. I've got a couple thousand rounds through it now with nary a hiccup. Yes, the slide will close if I slam the magazine home, but I have to whack it pretty good. So does the GP6c.

I'll be shooting my M&P9 tonight at my preferred range. I'll bet I put 250 rounds through it.

 

[Rangel]

Vector16,

You knew going in you were barking in the wrong dog house and kudos to you for speaking your mind 'against the grain'. I think it's healthy for the forums.

I have a Springfield XDm, several Glocks and my favorite for 'all around, in town' is an M&P 40c. I have a smattering of others, but those are 'the big three' in terms of popularity I think. Each is a fine gun, each is a bit different with its own pros and cons, but overall, the M&P feels best to me.

I hope you didn't buy a 4th Generation Glock!? I can't believe they messed up so bad on the latest series. I know die hard Glock fans who feel they're putting what's practically a franchise at risk. I could see the swap out back straps, but they really screwed the blue ribbon pooch on the 4th Gen. Glocks changes in other ways, IMO.

 

[Bluelou]

Bla bla bla Learn how to fix the guns you shoot.you will be happy with all of them.

 

[bwd]

And if you run out of ammo with that High Point you could always use it for a billy club.