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Frederick

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A few weeks ago I bid on what was listed as a "Victory Model" S&W. I've been looking for one for quite awhile and the starting price was "only" $490. So I jumped and of course no one else outbid me. After reading the sellers description several times I sent him a question about it being a Victory Model. He said the serial number had no letter V prefix but it was still a Victory Model. Well since I had bid on it I bought it. It looks to me like a pre-victory model sent to one of the British colonies. The serial number is 750139. It has the FTR and a bunch of British marks on it. Did I get ripped off?
Sorry I haven't figured out the way to include pictures,yet.
 
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Can't asnwer your question but if you post a link to the closed auction then we can see pics and what the sellers description was.
 
Does it have the Bobbed and reamed barrel for .38Spl?
Look like this ? SN735531
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Frederick:
Every now and then we pay a bit more than we should have for a gun, sometimes because we get in a hurry to obtain something, sometimes because we don't know all the nuances of the model in which we might be interested, sometimes because a seller intentionally deceives us, etc. In the end, if you buy enough revolvers, it evens out and you learn from your experiences. Hopefully you will be happy with the piece of history you bought. It might have been instrumental in defeating the Axis of Evil.
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From your description, it sounds to be a pre-Victory Model. Usually the ones stamped FTR went through an arsenal rework in Australia. As others mentioned, it may have mechanically altered in other ways - no way to tell that without photos and/or a description.

To post photos, click on Post Reply under the last message in the thread, then Manage Attachments. A smaller window will open with an empty text box. Click on Browse to search your hard drive for the location of the photos, then Upload. They should appear in the text when you post the message. Hope this is helpful.
 
A pre- victory S&W used by british forces and "civilianized" after the war. Brought to states.Bobbed and reamed like 1000s of them were in '60's. Shot Jack Ruby. Now infamous because of that. Not famous like Dirty harry gun...
Great historical relic.. good shooter too. Worth about $200 at most. I keep mine around. I over paid by $70. She's like the red headed step child. Sums it up as best I can...but I still have it and not because I would lose money on it. I have made more good deals than bad. I bet you have too. Some say it all evens out.. I would like to think for the most part our knowledge of the subject keeps us a little better than even. But statistics would say you would have to make a bad deal on occasion even if it was because of a crooked dealer.
 
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I wouldn't slump into dispare over it yet. Once you get some pictures up, we can make a better evaluation of what you have.
You may be suprised.
 
It has a five inch barrel and is marked for 38 S&W. It looks original even with the re-park job. I'll work on pics tomorrow .
 
If it looks parkarized it may be a british service revolver .38/200 which was chambered for .38 S&W not .38 special and the SN ran continuos with the Model 1905 M&P 4th change up until 1942. That SN definitely puts it at 1941 either way. And does it have a K 200 any where on it? The parkerized look may be a "black magic" process used on some of the British versions after SN 680000.
 
Shot Jack Ruby??

A pre- victory S&W used by british forces and "civilianized" after the war. Brought to states.Bobbed and reamed like 1000s of them were in '60's. Shot Jack Ruby. Now infamous because of that. Not famous like Dirty harry gun...

I believe Ruby died in prison from lung cancer. He shot Oswald with a Colt 38. But I've been wrong before.
 
A pre- victory S&W used by british forces and "civilianized" after the war. Brought to states.Bobbed and reamed like 1000s of them were in '60's. Shot Jack Ruby. Now infamous because of that. Not famous like Dirty harry gun...

I believe Ruby died in prison from lung cancer. He shot Oswald with a Colt 38. But I've been wrong before.


You aren't wrong this time. :) The other man was. Ruby shot Oswald wih a Colt .38 snub, I think a Cobra, maybe with a hammer shroud. Unsure on the shroud.

BUT...a re-worked S&W .38-200 with no front lock for the extractor rod WAS used by Oswald to shoot Dallas cop J. D. Tippit in a theater before Oswald was apprehended. That may have been what the other poster was trying to recall.

That gun was like so many butchered by surplus dealers, made into a .38 Special (bad idea) in hopes that it'd sell faster.

If you are very lucky, you may have bought a .38-200 that is unaltered other than arsenal refinishing in dull gray in lieu of the normal blue finish it originally had. The dull gray was used after April, 1942, and guns being refinished were also given that look. If the gun was competely refinished and overhauled by an official arsenal, like Munitions Australia, it'll be stamped FTR for Factory Thorough Repairr. It will still use the original .38-200 (.38 S&W) ammo and be of interest to British/Commonwealth martial collectors and be in restored condition. Those guns were refurbished before the 9mm Browning pistols replaced .38 revolvers in Commonwealth service. Many that were evidently never used after refinishing were held as reserves and sold here some years ago.

If you did not know these things, you should have never bid on the gun! You should know JUST what it is and see sharp photos. You must also learn what a US Victory Model should look like if that is what you were trying to buy.

I'd like to see the gun in pics and learn the markings and condition. But I think you probably paid about $200-300 too much, depending on just what you got.

Look on this as a learning experience. AND...if you got lucky and bought the gun I described, you at least have an honorable piece of history that was restored to nice condition. If you were unlucky, you probably bought a gun similar to what Oswald used on Tippit. I hope that if it was altered, they at least left the front cylinder lock still under the barrel.

You may be able to locate a collector of British arms and sell the gun for not too much a loss if it is a good original. Remember, it helped to beat back the Axis forces and win WW II. It deserves respect and care. And if you can determine just which miitary used it, you can speculate on which battles in which it may have seen service. This gun may have helped to drive Rommel out of North Africa or seen service against the Japs in the horrid jungles of New Guinea.
 
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Hey I was a wee tot when the Oswald / Tibbits shooting took place. I know Ruby was in the mix. My mistake. I was requoting (misquoting) what someone told me on the forum awhile ago. I guess I need a brush up on 60s history.
 
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As to the gun Jack Ruby shot Lee Harvey Oswald with, it was a 1951 Colt Cobra with a Colt hammer shroud and plastic Coltwood grips that were standard factory grips from approx. 1946/47 to 1954.

The serial number of Ruby's Cobra is serial # 2744 LW. It has several evidence markings scratched on the surface of the gun. The gun has been verified through various sources including Jack Ruby's brother Earl, who the gun was eventually released to from the Dallas authorities. It was ultimately sold at auction not too long ago. I can't find the selling price but it was very high.
1951 Cobras are 2nd year production guns. 1950 1st yr. production Cobras numbered only 1,500. 1951 2nd year production of Cobras was only 5,500. So any 1st or 2nd year Cobras are pretty expensive if you can find one in very good condition, not considering the value of the one owned and used by Ruby in that historical event.

Posts have already been made about the chopped Victory that Oswald used to kill officer Tippit.
 
BUT...a re-worked S&W .38-200 with no front lock for the extractor rod WAS used by Oswald to shoot Dallas cop J. D. Tippit in a theater before Oswald was apprehended.

Just to clarify, Oswald murdered Officer Tippitt in the 400 block of East Tenth Street (near the intersection of Tenth and Patton) in Dallas, not in the Texas Theater.
 
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