Smith and Colt differences...

oneyeopn said:
Rebs...if your experience follows mine there will be about a 2" difference in favor of the S&W!!
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I am shooting hand loads, The load I worked up for my Sport is 24.5 grains of H335 over a 55 grain Hornady fmjbt with CCI #400 primers in once fired lake city brass. I would hand load and work up a round for a colt the same way and see what the colt can do, if I buy one.

After a phone call to colt and their lack of concern or willingness to allow me to talk with anyone other than the lady that answered the phone about a possible problem with one of their AR 15's, I am second thinking wanting one of their AR 15's.
 
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rebs081 said:
I am shooting hand loads, The load I worked up for my Sport is 24.5 grains of H335 over a 55 grain Hornady fmjbt with CCI #400 primers in once fired lake city brass. I would hand load and work up a round for a colt the same way and see what the colt can do, if I buy one.

After a phone call to colt and their lack of concern or willingness to allow me to talk with anyone other than the lady that answered the phone about a possible problem with one of their AR 15's, I am second thinking wanting one of their AR 15's.
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I am shooting handloads my self 26.8 grains of CFE223, CCI #41 primer and either Hornady 55grain V-Max and Z-Max. Shoots great. But it also shot great with Federal XM193 5.56x45 ( where all of my brass came from)
 
My father has an M&P 15 sport model, we love shooting it, its accurate and goes bang every time. I have a windham, have owned and handled colts, bushmaster, dpms, stag, del-ton, plum crazy lower with stag upper.............. buy what you want, shoot the hell out of it and have fun. If you want a defensive weapon do research for YOURSELF call the companies, read online, read magazines! Most all AR's today are about the same thing, if I could afford another H-bar right now, id have it, thats just my opinion. But I settled for another brand (windham) based on availability and pricing and what that company stands for. The M&P15 sport my father purchased is going to be used for plinnking and coyote erradication duties.
 
oneyeopn said:
Matt I wish you no disrespect but anything from M4rgery is so biased that I give it no weight nor will I waste my time to look at it. This is all my opinion but when I went there when I first bought my S&W, I left with the opinion from them that I was gutter trash. I have since come to the conclusion that they and AR15.nuts have to be that way to justify the expenditure of 2 to 3 times the cost of my rifle for theirs. I am sure they are fine rifles. Personally I have never seen a Noveske or a BCM or any other rifles that they compare against. I have seen Colts, Bushmasters, DPMS and M&P15's. I have also seen homebuilts but none using the very expensive uppers that they talk about. I have seen alot of AR pattern rifles, but out here in Middle America where we hunt and use our rifles no one can justify the expense when they can buy something else for less money that does exactly the same job. Have a good day.
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Personally I don't believe that you should discount SOME of the snobby websites. Before I ever got my M&P, I already knew how to inspect it, clean it and maintain it. I've bought "emergency" parts and high wear parts as a just in case due to their web sites. Like anything else, you have to separate the wheat from the chaff. Yes, some of these sites have misinformation and fanboys, at the same time there is good information there. When I find information there I cross check it with other websites and my LGS. On M4 that gives some good tips, It's titled "Be an informed consumer!" I had the chance to buy a Colt 6920 or my M&P 15 OR. Based on what I learned from the other sites and this one I still choose the M&P. It fits MY needs and has performed well for me.
 
This thread is really falling off the deep end.:D

Just buy what you can afford and WANT. It's really no-ones business how you spend your money. They all go "bang". All cars are "transportation", but some people like Ford and some like Porsche.

Most people try to buy what is practical and affordable, for them. I had been waiting months, for a new 15T, but a great deal came my way, for a Noveske, so I bought it. NO regrets, no snobbery, it was in my budget, and I WANTED it.;)
 
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I apologize for my narrow mindedness, I still occasionally do peruse the other sights. I just always seem to leave them with bad taste in my mouth. I know that the "boutique" as I have seen it called gun makers build some really fine weapons, and if I ever win the lottery I will have a LMT but to discredit someones choice of weapon over and over just gets to me. I have looked back over my posts and realize that I am starting to sound like them and that is not who I am nor who I want to be. :)
 
Funny, I had my choice of Colt or S&W and bought the OR because of my long time preference for things "S&W".

My issued revolver many years ago was a brand new , 4" bbl'd S&W model 10. In the Marines, I never developed "Colt love" because my issued rifle was an M14 and later, I carried a 1911 sidearm.

I will say this. My wife bought my rifle because she knew I liked S&W branded firearms. When I got it I looked it over closely and it was absolutely flawless in finish. I have sent thousands of rounds downrange with it with never a problem (I do keep it very clean and ready between range trips). I might buy an LMT .308 someday but I would never give up my OR. I am one happy customer and see no way a Colt would be superior except on some chart. JMHO.

Sgt. Fanboy, USMC, MPDC :D:p:)
 
oneyeopn said:
I apologize for my narrow mindedness, I still occasionally do peruse the other sights. I just always seem to leave them with bad taste in my mouth. I know that the "boutique" as I have seen it called gun makers build some really fine weapons, and if I ever win the lottery I will have a LMT but to discredit someones choice of weapon over and over just gets to me. I have looked back over my posts and realize that I am starting to sound like them and that is not who I am nor who I want to be. :)
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I had a bad experience with colts in the corps but forgot we had worn out ***'s the other branches gave to us lol and I shouldnt let that affect my opinions either. I do agree with oneye on his statement above. I am sorry folks.
 
Forget all this bickering over M16's, M4's, AR15's, etc. It gets old quick and makes me want to switch platforms just to get away from it all.

Get me a FN SCAR... ;)

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GMC Man...we did get the worn out stuff...didnt we...and ancient C-Rats...Then I would see the preventative maintenance comic books and never knew what the equipment they were talking about cause we didnt have it LOL
 
oneyeopn said:
GMC Man...we did get the worn out stuff...didnt we...and ancient C-Rats...Then I would see the preventative maintenance comic books and never knew what the equipment they were talking about cause we didnt have it LOL
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Funniest example of " leftovers" in the Corps, at Camp Geiger during ITR, we went from area to area in grey, old Navy "cattle cars". They had , "No Skylarking" stencilled on the wooden wall slats. LOL, Marines do a lot of things BUT "Skylarking" was definitely NOT one of them! S'plain Sailors!!!:p
 
oneyeopn said:
Matt I wish you no disrespect but anything from M4rgery is so biased that I give it no weight nor will I waste my time to look at it. This is all my opinion but when I went there when I first bought my S&W, I left with the opinion from them that I was gutter trash. I have since come to the conclusion that they and AR15.nuts have to be that way to justify the expenditure of 2 to 3 times the cost of my rifle for theirs. I am sure they are fine rifles. Personally I have never seen a Noveske or a BCM or any other rifles that they compare against. I have seen Colts, Bushmasters, DPMS and M&P15's. I have also seen homebuilts but none using the very expensive uppers that they talk about. I have seen alot of AR pattern rifles, but out here in Middle America where we hunt and use our rifles no one can justify the expense when they can buy something else for less money that does exactly the same job. Have a good day.
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Its a chart that has been submitted to the manufacturers for them to fill in the blanks.
How is that biased?
Sorry you were treated poorly there.
No disrespect intended but DPMS and Bushmaster are nowhere near the quality of Colt. (I've owned them all)
We also use/hunt with our rifles here on the east coast.
Have a good day.
 
Matt C. said:
Its a chart that has been submitted to the manufacturers for them to fill in the blanks.
How is that biased?
Sorry you were treated poorly there.
No disrespect intended but DPMS and Bushmaster are nowhere near the quality of Colt. (I've owned them all)
We also use/hunt with our rifles here on the east coast.
Have a good day.
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IMHO After having a colt and shooting a few Windham Weaponry AR 15's, I would take a new Windham over the Colt, for accuracy, fit, finish and price.
The old Bushmasters were great rifles, the new ones being built by Remington not so much.
My S&W Sport is a great rifle
 
rebs081 said:
IMHO After having a colt and shooting a few Windham Weaponry AR 15's, I would take a new Windham over the Colt, for accuracy, fit, finish and price.
The old Bushmasters were great rifles, the new ones being built by Remington not so much.
My S&W Sport is a great rifle
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I developed a differing opinion after shooting a Windham yesterday. Overpriced ****.

I'm not going to bother comparing that *** to my pony but I'll tell ya vs the M&P 15 Sport I owned, the Windham was a much looser shooter with a crappier barrel and horrid detail work. Not to sound like one of "those" guys but they cant even stake the castle nuts for a $1000 gun. For $300 less the M&P Sport is 10000% a better gun OTB. I honestly felt bad for the guy as he left with a case stuck in his chamber.....he even said he was looking for an M&P before buying the Windham LOL!
 
oneyeopn said:
OH this is so much better than the list that he previously put out.
thank you very much KJM for sharing this with us.:D
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I wish S&W would reply and not say the info is proprietary. However, I guess the marketing folks know that it would do more harm than good, as they know they do not build to "mil-spec".
 
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