Its your duty to concealed carry (aurora theater shooting)

I read somewhere only 8 out of each 100,000 US citizens has a CC permit, the odds are it's not very likely anyone with a CC will be at any mass shooting. If the number is right that's a reality.
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In Tennessee there are 363,499 active handgun carry permits issued. Population is estimated at 6.4M. Subtracting all those under 21... it comes to about 8 of 100 adults 21+ have a handgun carry permit.

However, that doesn't mean that 8 of 100 adults is actually carrying in Tenn. Far from it. The majority of guys I know with carry permits always have a gun in the car but don't often carry.
 
ChattanoogaPhil said:
In Tennessee there are 363,499 active handgun carry permits issued. Population is estimated at 6.4M. Subtracting all those under 21... it comes to about 8 of 100 adults 21+ have a handgun carry permit.

However, that doesn't mean that 8 of 100 adults is actually carrying in Tenn. Far from it. The majority of guys I know with carry permits always have a gun in the car but don't often carry.
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yeah ... its one frustrating statistic.
Time for a happy thought.
When I went through my CCW class there was this beautiful little lady in with me. Not only was she young, shapely and radiant, she was a ball of sunshine everyone just had to love complete with a smile that would negate any need for a flashlight. The course of discussion was at that portion where the instructors address the true gravity of a gunfight and let you chew on what you'd do after you shot someone. Poor dear nearly cried pulling out a box of hello kitty bandaids from her purse expressing how sorry she might feel.
God Bless and protect her .... by the way .. when we shot qualification ... she brought doughnuts.
This shall be my happy thought for the day:D
 
The "No Guns Policy" did not stop or slow down the shooter. Why should I allow it to stop or slow me down from protecting my loved ones, friends and myself? The heck with it, I will carry. It is concealed and no one will ever know it unless I must use it, and then I don't care.
 
DavidA said:
The "No Guns Policy" did not stop or slow down the shooter. Why should I allow it to stop or slow me down from protecting my loved ones, friends and myself? The heck with it, I will carry. It is concealed and no one will ever know it unless I must use it, and then I don't care.
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I truly do understand that, and to each his own, but I feel like I'm enabling bad behaviour(theirs) by giving them my business. I think they, like all of us, should have to be responsible for their decisions?
 
Every time this subject of gun ownership comes up there is only one question that needs to be asked: When will you (the govt) guarantee me that not one single bad guy has a weapon ?
Every time it's asked they change the subject. They consistently say things like "But still all these people should not have auto-weapons."
And that's my stand- until you can assure me beyond any doubt no BGs have em, I'm gonna keep mine.
 
I would not disparage ANYONE for doing WHATEVER they did to survive. Military/Combat vets. My hat is off to you. Unless YOU have BEEN involved in a situation such as this,...... not me. You have NO right speculating. I have sadly been involved in deadly force situation but this was an ambush with high powered weapons and the victims were at a disadvantage as would anyone responding to the threat. I would like to hope I would have been able to help in some way but merely surviving this shooting is admirable. Don't be so quick to judge anyone there.
 
keith44spl said:
...I wasn't in that theater and don't know exactly what I would have done.
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I wasn't there, too, and I don't know, either. I am reasonably sure I wouldn't have considered that the guy was armored. My brain is not trained to think of that as a possibility. That's about all I can say for sure.

I do kind of wish the fellow had given the cops a reason to blast him, but on the other hand I commend them for their apparent coolness. I can't see much to be gained from analyzing these characters... :(
 
DavidA said:
The "No Guns Policy" did not stop or slow down the shooter. Why should I allow it to stop or slow me down from protecting my loved ones, friends and myself? The heck with it, I will carry. It is concealed and no one will ever know it unless I must use it, and then I don't care.
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Law-abiding citizens cannot make that choice.
 
As I read and re-read the posts above. I can't help but think,
how discretion and valor makes such strange bedfellows.

To be bold in action, but yet reserved and slow to anger.


Oh, yeah...Almost forgot what I wanted to post.

With or without a badge I'd carry where ever I thought I's big enough too!

As my ol Dad told me son,
"A man don't count his money in public, pull out his **** or show off his pistol!
Ain't nobody's business but yur own."

As far as 'Gettin in trouble' or going to jail,
hell at my age...A life stentence ain't gonna be all that long.

Su Amigo,
Dave
 
Bikemobile said:
You never know when you may be called to act.

Aurora theater shooting mass casualty incident

Be aware be vigilent.
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I believe he chose a "Gun-free" movie theater for a reason, and he used teargas and a vest. I'm not sure that I could have successfully returned fire if I were there. This guy covered his bases, he wanted to kill and hurt as many people he could, and he was going to keep himself alive to do it as long as he could. I'm not saying I wouldn't have tried, but a blitzkrieg attack with a knife would have likely been more successful than a firearm.
 
Springfeildkid585 said:
This guy covered his bases, he wanted to kill and hurt as many people he could, and he was going to keep himself alive to do it as long as he could.
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I don't know that I agree with that. Why did he not chain the panic bars on the emergency doors and station himself at the main door? He could have killed everyone in the theater and had a better defensive position.

Then, rather than finishing off the wounded (presumably the living had left the theatre), he calmly walked out and waited in his car.

He constructed booby traps that are described as sophisticated, but left them where they were most likely to be found. Why didn't he employ such devices where they could cause maximum destruction.

His planning was meticulous, but his tactics sucked. Either he wasn't as bright as the media paints him or his objective wasn't maximum death. The guy did a lot of things brilliantly, but there were a few gaps in his planning and training (like clearing a weapon malfunction).

I'm waiting for his unibomber style manifesto to remove all doubt that this guy was twisted in ways that a normal human can't begin to comprehend.
 
blujax01 said:
Law-abiding citizens cannot make that choice.
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I agree, law abiding citizens can't carry where it is legally restricted, and apparently it is in Colorado. But law abiding citisens are not forced to patronize places that restrict concealed carry, unless of course, its the post office, federal property etc, and also places restricted by the State government.
I add to that list any states which do not recognize my Texas CHL. I intend to remain a law abiding citizen, unless someone tries to outlaw guns by executive order or any other shanigen, so my choice would have been not to go there.:eek:
 
M29since14 said:
I would bet a small sum that these characters are never as shrewd as the media thinks they are, and he probably didn't even know what his objective was. He just wanted to kill people.
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Book-sense is one thing- mass killing tactics another. As we all know. But I agree this guy did not want to die, or he woulda fought the police instead of peacefully giving up. I feel sure the cops would have obliged him if he had wanted to die. Now we're left to wonder, is it so he can read about himself? Or deep down, was he so cowardly he couldn't take what he dished out...
 
I have had a CCW most of my adult life. I've taken a few personal defense classes. Currently working on trying to get in shape for a 3-gun. I can't recall anyone ever discussing a scenario in any of my classes like the one in Aurora. I have turned it over in my head and I have no idea what I would have done. In fact, I'm not positive what the best course of action would have been. Is it true that sometimes you're just outgunned and screwed? I've never "faced the elephant" so I won't even pretend that I know the answers to these questions. One thing I'd like to know from those more knowledgeable than me: If I'm, say 20 feet from a guy wearing a Kevlar vest and I double tap him close to center of mass with my Kahr CM9 (my normal carry gun)..... what's that going to do to him?
 
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I've read all the posts & agree and disagree on certain things. In the daytime i carry my mod#60 38 snub. Totally useless in a situation like this. At night i usually carry my CS45 & snub for backup. I would have, (given the chance) engaged the shooter. The 45 would have enough power to knock him down regardless of body armor. And then i would try to move closer for a kill shot. Its a perfect scenario at best..but this guy was a coward on a power trip. I bet if people started shooting back he would have retreated hastily. Who knows how many lives could have been saved. I would have died trying to protect others!
 
Well...I guess he thinks all the people who hid behind whatever they could get behind are all cowards. He is a retired LEO......he as a retired LEO should not call people cowards because they did not storm the BG shooting.
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I made the comment about me, not others. It's my face I have to look at in the morning when I shave.

I haven't called anyone a coward. There is times you can shoot, and times to lay quiet. I learned that running ambushes in SE Asia. There is a time to trip the ambush, and there are times to let the bandits move on. That's not being a coward.
 
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