I made a big mistake by selling all my Glocks and buying M&P's

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WrongWay said:
I've been a Glock man for 20 years, never had a problem with a new Glock. Recently bought 3 M&P's in 2 months, and 2 of the three were bad. One went back to S&W for repair, the other, a 40 Shield I'm selling and hoping to recover most of the money I wasted on an inferior product.

I was really hoping I could find an American product that would match Glocks reputation. It sure isn't S&W M&P's.
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Sorry to hear you aren't liking your Smiths. I have nothing but S&W with no issues with any of 'em. Glock is a good gun (not perfect) and has it's place with many members here but the new offerings from Glock are not any better than anyone else, at least from what I have read if you can trust that. Of course this coming from someone who doesn't own a Glock.

I have a few 3rd gen Smiths and would put them up against anything for reliability...I have NEVER had one fail in any way. Plus they look good!

There are so many happy M&P owners out there that I believe Smith will make you happy, too. The .40 Shield is a new gun with some new gun woes that is not unusual for any gun maker. You were right to buy American! Good for you!
 
My Smiths work just fine for me. They consist of M&P9c. M&P Shield9 M&P.22 LR, and then I have the M&P ARs. All have been very reliable.
 
So your only function problem is with the Shield.The other 2 have worked fine but one had a slight cosmetic issue that S&W fixed.To me the Shield really is a pistol without a purpose,too big for a pocket gun and too small for a carry gun.Keep your 40c if you want a smaller carry gun.I prefer full size M&P 9 mm and M&P full size 45s for ccw.Sell the Shield and buy more ammo for the other 2 or buy a nice J frame S&W.
 
Funny. I just sold all my Glocks for M&Ps. I never have been fully satisfied with my Glocks other than my 20 and 29, but I sold those as well to get the Gen4s when they come out. My M&P compact shoots MUCH smoother, and doesn't have nearly as many feed issues.
 
Sorry about your luck, that is the problem with buying a gun when they first come out. You know the rule, wait one year, but you didn't. Now you ended up with one that has problems, it sucks, but why not let S&W try and make it right?

If you think there are no bad Glocks, sadly you'd be mistaken. Plenty have issues with them. Like others have said, you won't get a whole lot of sympathy on an M&P forum. Fact is, M&Ps are quality, so are XD/XDms, Walthers and Glocks. If you are a "glock" man, then do yourself a favor and sell the M&Ps to a good home and go buy Glocks, life is too short.
 
WrongWay said:
I believe the M&P problems are mostly with the Shield 40.
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Exactly, on a gun that just came out. Look at all the problems Glock has had with Gen4s, Springfield is having problems with the XDS. Every gun manufacturer has some issues 1st year a gun is out, that's why it's wise to wait 1 year. On that note, I've yet to hear a complaint about the 9mm Shield.
 
I've owned a number of polymer pistols, and IMO the M&Ps are the best of the lot. Besides a variety of S&W polymer pistols, I've had Beretta (PX4 SC), Bersa (BP9CC), Glock (9mm, .45, and 40 models), Springfield (XD and XDm), Ruger (LC9, SR9/9c), SIG (SP2022), and even a few Tauruses (Tauri?) Of all, the S&Ws have suited me the best.

I am completely happy with my M&P 45c and my Shield 9mm. Other than those, I enjoy my 1911s.
 
When I wanted to know how I'd like the M&P Pistol, I bought one. I've had it for about 6 months and have been very satisfied with it.

Now that I know how they perform, I'll buy at least one more.

It sounds like you went off the deep end for a product you had no experience with and aren't satisfied. Hope you learned a lesson.
 
catcus-jack said:
So your only function problem is with the Shield.The other 2 have worked fine but one had a slight cosmetic issue that S&W fixed.To me the Shield really is a pistol without a purpose,too big for a pocket gun and too small for a carry gun.Keep your 40c if you want a smaller carry gun.I prefer full size M&P 9 mm and M&P full size 45s for ccw.Sell the Shield and buy more ammo for the other 2 or buy a nice J frame S&W.
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I cannot conceal the 40c or 40 Pro, I'm too fat. I carry a 642 in a pocket holster.

The reason for buying the 40 Shield was to have more rounds available.

I'm too old to move to a different area, and every week I hear gunfire, police against perps, and perps on perps.

Maybe I will get another 642 and carry two of them.
 
I have carried S&W revolvers, an S&W semi auto and a Glock 17 as duty weapons over the years. I am currently issued an H&K P2000 in .40 S&W. The S&W 6946 was the least reliable (they broke a LOT) and the hardest to shoot well (I have scored possibles on every qual since 1993). The revolvers and the Glock were top notch. The H&K is accurate and reliable but harder to shoot than the others. Having shot a variety of S&W semi autos over the years, I have not been impressed enough by them to spend my money on them, particularly the plastic ones. I confess that I own a 1968 model 39 no dash. It is a joy to shoot, but it was manufactured at a time when S&W was still making a decent handgun. I know shooters who have M&P's and love them. I guess it's a matter of personal preference.
 
Your weight has nothing to do with concealability of any given gun...high quality holsters either OWB, paddle or IWB and a sturdy belt simply make that a non-issue.

Randy
 
Can't add much more other than to say I have 4 M&Ps and while I did have a slight slide issue with my first, after Smith fixed it they have been nothing but fantastic since. Thousands and thousands of rounds in both practice and competition and through daily carry and the only problem I have is they run out of bullets when I shoot them.
 
I purchased a .40c when they first came out. After shooting about 500 rounds, the mag would drop after every shot. Many other early .40c owners were having the same issue. It took the factory a few months to get the it sorted out, but when they did, they sent me a new magazine catch at no change. Problem solved. I still have the gun and it's a great shooter.
 
WrongWay said:
I am not asking for sympathy, just wondering why S&W can't put a product on the market that will compete with Glock and be reliable.

I was wanting to use the 40 Shield for EDC. It isn't reliable so I can't count on it.
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Really? Are you sure about that? Have you been paying attention to all the issues that Glock has been having over the last YEAR??





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WrongWay said:
I've been a Glock man for 20 years, never had a problem with a new Glock. Recently bought 3 M&P's in 2 months, and 2 of the three were bad. One went back to S&W for repair, the other, a 40 Shield I'm selling...

I was really hoping I could find an American product...
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baccusboy said:
Based on your post, I doubt you'll find many people here who will feel sorry for you.
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Why not? The man was trying to buy American and he got a couple products he wasn't happy with through no apparent fault of his own. He doesn't say much about the problems, but I don't see a reason to think it is his fault, based on what he has written.

Anything mass produced may have problems. Ask the fellow who blew two barrels off his 640s. Stuff happens.

I've been around a few M&Ps since they came out - well, more than one or two, anyway. When I pick the guns up and when I fire them, I like the feel of them. Unfortunately, it stops there. The triggers are usually terrible. And in most cases, when I see targets shot at any distance beyond a few yards, I am not impressed. Fixing the trigger will sometimes help a great deal, and sometimes things still aren't so great.

My experience with Glocks has been a bit better - in that one area (accuracy). There's another thread running now dealing with that topic. Maybe I am too particular about accuracy, but I don't think so. Ordinary auto pistols I purchased in the '70s might not have been as reliable as my M&Ps, but they would out-shoot most of the M&Ps I have seen, except my M&P45. (Others report similar experiences with the M&P45.) If they can make a good .45, why not 9x19s and .40SWs? Good reliable guns, good ergonomics - but not great shooters, in my view. That's too bad.

S&W likes to make the claim that they have more modern equipment under roof than any other manufacturer in the U.S. That should give them the ability to control dimensions and adjust them easily to cure observed deficiencies. Why not look into it and get it done? I see complaints about current production guns the same as I did with initial production.
 
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