Basic Revolver Questions (newbie question)

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Hello everyone. I am new to guns in general and I have been reading about guns, ballistics, have taken my CHP class, etc. I am seriously considering the SD9VE as my first "do it all" handgun for concealed carry, car defense, and apartment defense. That being said however I am not against a revolver. I have some newbie questions.:

Why pick a revolver over a semi auto?
Why are revolvers so expensive compared to a semi auto?
The SD9VE hold a lot more ammo than a revolver, is this really an issue in the real world?
I tried a Taurus 85 snubby and it was hard to shoot, so can you still conceal a 3-4 inch revolver for EDC?

Help me to learn, why would you pick a revolver over a semi auto in this day and age? I am not a collector, it will be carried and used. Thanks for the help.
 
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Why pick a revolver over a semi auto?

Frankly, I think the reasons favor the autos. Get a quality auto known for their reliability and there are few reasons to opt for a revolver.

I opted for a revolver solely because I like them not for any perceived advantages.
 
I can't say that I completely agree with gr7070. Not that I don't own or haven't carried autos for quite a long time too. They both have their relative advantages and disadvantages. For me though, in the real world, and not the tacticool make-believe world of many, I think that the revolver does have a few advantage. Way too much to try to explain, but here's a LOT of info and opinions on this very subject, and a lot of revolver users explain their take on why they choose to do so:

http://smith-wessonforum.com/concealed-carry-self-defense/270760-revolver-carriers-speak-out.html

I'll also admit that in my younger days I was taken up in the high capacity craze of autos and that's all I cared to own, carry or shoot for a number of years. Then I discovered that I actually enjoyed revolvers. Then, as I became more familiar and knowledgeable about them, I began to see things from a different perspective and which really served me best in the real world, rather than some imaginary scenario. Not saying that I have it right or even all the answers. It's just my opinion, so there you have it.
 
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One of the reasons a revolver is interesting to me is somehow in my mind I have this thought of a revolver being a little more mechanical in nature in how it works and a semi auto being more like a machine. Maybe this is way off base. I understand the thought about having more ammo and faster reloading for the "fire fight" that people seem to think will happen. I am not sure I go with that idea, I dunno. The one thing that I think about with a revolver is that I can target shoot for fun with 38 loads but carry more powerful 357 mag loads for defense. If I get say a 9mm semi auto, that is all I can shoot. Does that really matter?.....I do not know. Most of the pocket snobby revolvers I have seen has no sights or sights that are useless for target practice at the range and I have not shot a revolver with sights on it. I understand in theory why a revolver could be more reliable than a semi auto. Why is a revolver so expensive? I would be looking for a "do it all" revolver for concealed carry, car protection, and apartment defense. With that in mind, which revolvers would be a good starting point to look at? K frame maybe? I have medium sized hands.
 
A valid case can be made for both revolvers and semi autos.

If you're interested in a S&W semi auto, I would suggest you pick the newer models/M&Ps. Don
 
I began my LEO career when revolvers ruled in the late '60's and had to use my issued .38 in the line of duty more than once. Simply put it just works and there are no worries about the kind of malfunctions a semiauto can produce. I do have couple of autos, one being my service weapon, the Glock M23, but don't carry them.

My small 442 fits in a pocket, offers sufficient power and can be neglected for years (I don't neglect my weapons) and still work. My orbits are fairly safe in retirement and I do practice w/my 442 often.
 
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When I first decided to carry concealed I had certain parameters my concealed firearm had to meet. I wanted something reliable, can be pocket carried when needed, was in a caliber used by law enforcement and was fun to shoot lots at the range. I had decided on a 642/442 and coincidently someone at work had a 442 they bought in 1994, shot once, cleaned and put in a drawer. I bought it, made a few holsters and carry it daily.
 

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I have heard that a small J frame "pocket gun" is much harder to shoot than a semi auto. Is it harder to shoot then this newer generation of pocket 380 and 9mm semi autos such as the LCP and LC9? For a carry gun what are the pros and cons of a blued gun over SS or aluminum?
 
I don't think that there is a correct answer here. Most of my acquaintances carry a semi-auto, I prefer a revolver. I think the most important issue is what are you the most accurate and comfortable with. Only you can decide what is best for you. Edit: Blue will wear but not reflect light, SS will not wear as much and imho aluminum kicks like a mule.
 
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One of the reasons a revolver is interesting to me is somehow in my mind I have this thought of a revolver being a little more mechanical in nature in how it works and a semi auto being more like a machine.

This is one of the things that made me enjoy the revolvers. I enjoy handling them. Dry fire practice is simpler and can more directly simulate real fire since you just pull the trigger instead of having to manipulate the slide or otherwise cock the hammer. I enjoy the mechanics of them more than the autos.


I understand the thought about having more ammo and faster reloading for the "fire fight" that people seem to think will happen. I am not sure I go with that idea, I dunno.

This is what I was referring to above when I mentioned the "tacti-cool make believe world of many". Police involved shootings and those of civilians are very different. Often police either have to stop (kill) or apprehend the other person involved. The other person knows this, so a protracted gun battle is more likely. With a civilian SD shooting, you are only concerned with survival. You may have to stop your assailant, but your real motivation is only to see the altercation end so that you can escape and go about your way. Perhaps you will have to "stop" him, but you may just be able to escape. When your assailant is met with unexpected deadly resistance he too is likely to just want it to end so that he can get away and survive. He's not as worried about being arrested and going to jail so his motivation for continuing the fight is probably less than it might otherwise be with the police. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that statistics show that the average number of shots fired in a civilian SD shooting is around 3. That's total, between both parties. So, statistically speaking, the likelihood of needing a high round count or speedy reloads isn't as high as TV and the movies tend to portray.


The one thing that I think about with a revolver is that I can target shoot for fun with 38 loads but carry more powerful 357 mag loads for defense. If I get say a 9mm semi auto, that is all I can shoot. Does that really matter?.....I do not know.

That depends on you and what you want to do. Revolvers do function reliably with a much greater range of ammunition. With .357 you can go from easy shootin' powder puff wadcutter .38 loads all the way to heavy, full house magnum loads. They don't care about bullet profile and they don't require energy to cycle the action like an auto.


Most of the pocket snobby revolvers I have seen has no sights or sights that are useless for target practice at the range and I have not shot a revolver with sights on it.

This could be a point of debate, but in the real world, SD shooting happen very fast, and at close range. Statistics show that most occur from contact to around 15 feet or so. I'm not sure how important target sights really are in this type of scenario. But, many revolvers do have better sights, and many more can be outfitted with better, aftermarket sights. Many J frames can be fitted with the excellent, for fast close range shooting, XS Big Dot sights, for example.

I understand in theory why a revolver could be more reliable than a semi auto.

I am a fan of Glock pistols. Have owned, and still do own several. I have put thousands and thousands of rounds through them and have found them to be very reliable. BUT... Not only is the revolver more reliable from a feeding perspective, but also keep in mind that may SD situations require shooting from less than perfect positions. If the fight goes to ground, for example, you may have to shoot with your gun backed up into your own body, or the muzzle jammed into your assailant's. The first case will cause a serious jam in an auto, and the second could force the auto out of battery and unable to even fire the first time. In a face to face struggle for your life, this could very well mean the difference between life and death.

Why is a revolver so expensive?

I'm not sure this is the case. I bought my last SD revolver, a S&W 638, slightly used, for $299. They can be found new for less than $400. Some autos can be fairly expensive too. If you compare the plastic fantastics to a high quality revolver though, I'd say that they are somewhat comparable in price, depending on which revolver you're looking at. But, in general the plastic autos are cheaper to mass produce and require less labor intensive assembly. In many cases revolvers have more small, fitted parts, and more complex machining as well.


I would be looking for a "do it all" revolver for concealed carry, car protection, and apartment defense. With that in mind, which revolvers would be a good starting point to look at? K frame maybe? I have medium sized hands.

It depends. I like my J frames because, for me, they are easy to carry and conceal. But, I'd really love to have a 3" model 65 (K frame), and think it would be a really good compromise for me. My 625 (N frame) is too large for me to carry but it does reside on my nightstand.

Also keep in mind that for many, the revolver takes a little more time to learn to shoot well. But, also, for many, they find that with a little time, they actually shoot them better than their autos. Most also find that the J frames take more time to master and aren't as easy to shoot well as the larger guns.
 
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I have heard that a small J frame "pocket gun" is much harder to shoot than a semi auto. Is it harder to shoot then this newer generation of pocket 380 and 9mm semi autos such as the LCP and LC9? For a carry gun what are the pros and cons of a blued gun over SS or aluminum?
It's true that J frame snubbies are initially more difficult to shoot accurately but it is possible with practice, both dry fire and live fire. I practice mostly at self defense ranges, point shooting and aiming with both eyes open, between 7 and 10 yards, sometimes I stretch it out to 25 yards for fun. My snubby's been equipped with a Laserlyte side mount laser that I use more for dry fire practice. Just put the red dot on something and keep it there as you pull the trigger. That is after you make sure it's unloaded.
The only reason I went for the blued finished 442 rather than the stainless 642 was because that was the one that became available at a good price when I was ready to buy.
A blued gun takes more care to prevent corrosion than a stainless gun. Aluminum is used in the frame on the Airweight snubbies such as my 442 and the stainless version the 642.
I like my snubby, I carry it with 2 reloads in quick strips. My wife carries a 4" 66-3 medium size, K frame, stainless steel .357 Magnum with a reload in a speed loader. We're both revolver people.
 
One other note, I remember a S&W revolver I got with the pamphlet that came with it had this:
"The rapidity of fire is only limited by the dexterity of the shooter."

May mean nothing, but is true.

Actually, a really good revolver shooter can fire faster than an auto. An auto is limited by it's cyclic rate. A revolver, like your pamphlet implied, has no such mechanical limitations.

Check out some Jerry Miculek videos to see it for yourself.
 
12 shots with a reload in less than 3 seconds? With a revolver?

Yep. Not sure how that would break down without the reload, or a shot to shot break time. But, yeah, it's fast!

He also did 8 shots with a 627, in 1.0 seconds, 8 shots on four different targets in 1.06 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uisHfKj2JiI

Yeah, he's unreal quick!
 
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12 shots with a reload in less than 3 seconds? With a revolver?

World Record 12 Shots In Under 3 Seconds

Check it out on You Tube.....

Ed McGivern is renowned as one of the best hand gunners that ever lived. His Guinness world record for "The greatest rapid-fire feat" (set in August 20, 1932 as the Lead Club Range, South Dakota) still stands. This feat consisted of "firing two times from 15 feet five shots which could be covered by a silver half-dollar piece in 45/1OO's of a second.
 
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