I feel let down by the NRA speech

If we wanted to, we could find a way to fund armed guards/police in schools...but it won't happen because the sheeple (majority) will not admit that more guns can be the answer...guns scare them so they are bad...doesn't matter they are in the right hands....simple as that.
 
"I feel let down by the NRA speech"

As was I. I don't know what I expected to be said, but that speech did very little to reassure or convince me that the NRA was really interested in helping to solve the problem.
 
How does one likely out-of-shape old cop protect a sprawling school campus with hundreds of students? It's not realistic to post armed guards at every public school and even if you could you can't guarantee that they will prevent a gunman from finding a way in and unleashing mayhem.

Do we really want America to become a Police State? Already, there are cameras everywhere in public and even some in private that we don't know about monitoring our every move. Satellites thousands of miles from earth spy on millions of people and invade our privacy in violation of the 4th Amendment against unreasonable search and seizure.

It's not enough we're x-rayed and fondled at the airport and we're turned into a nation of tattletales by the so-called National Terror Alert Response Center, cooked up by Homeland Dept of Security Sec Janet Napolitano (Big Sis), who advises us, "If you see something say something."

We're becoming a nation of paranoids and perhaps rightly so, knowing Big Sis has hooked up with AT&T and other telecommunications giants to monitor every phone call, text message, email, blog and social media site, ready to snitch at any given moment.

Seizing on mass fears after 9/11, Bush rammed through the so-called Patriot Act (anything but), which widely expanded government surveillance of phone conversations between attorneys and clients -- once considered privileged -- and covers everything from routine wiretaps to the library books we take out.

I'm old now but Orwellian America is right around the corner if not here already. I'm sorry if I've gotten a bit off-topic; however, putting ex-LEOs or burned-out, pensioned cops in a school is part and parcel of Big Government intruding more and more into our lives with the next step sure to be the militarization of our nation.

The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 specifically outlaws the military acting like cops on our own soil. But bear in mind that Bush also put through an executive order that changed the 1807 Insurrection Act that gave President much greater powers in the event of something that might be called "insurrection."

Obama, not to be outdone in the imperial presidency, has expanded executive powers to the point of conducting wars without congressional authorization, drone attacks that kill thousands, including innocent children, and now is moving to weaken the 2A, appealing to pure emotion and not logic or law. Congress, set up to be a co-equal branch of government and the Supreme Court have taken a back seat to the White House.

Bottom line: The Constitution, which includes the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms, is the law of the land or ought to be.
 
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DelFuego,
Do you feel the other side has stuck to the talking points that you've pointed out? The antis are screaming and calling anyone who disagrees with them stupid. I thought Mr. LaPierre did as good a job as he could have. It's not like the antis will listen or give serious thought to the NRA. Look at the news tonight the media is tearing him up. All he said was protect the children as we already protect everything else, armed guards!It seems a pretty cut and dried common sense approach to me. Of course I would love to see Pierce Morgan use his whit against an armed madman.
 
I do not feel let down by the NRA speech. It didn't go far into detail, but it hit all of the main points except dangerous prescribed drugs for schoolkids (a marginal and debatable point) and widespread concealed carry by adults in and around the schools, which it seemed to hint at by mentioning gun-free zones. It stressed a policeman in every school, which I am strongly in favor of, except that one is not enough. The schools should be able to figure out, or maybe the NRA will tell them if they take the course, that they can't afford sufficient guards, and will need to spend a SMALL amount of money on training armed people who are already on the payroll or already in the area.

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You have probably already seen this:

http://www.gunreports.com/news/handguns/Michigan-state-house-concealed-weapons-schools-day-care_4521-1.html?ET=gunreports:p1332:167155a:&st=pmail .

I hate to give you the bad news, The republican governor vetoed the bill this past Monday. at the behest of the Democrat Sentor.
 
Come on! How on earth can we fund cops in every school in the United States? I can't believe that I waited a week for this

Very simple,,,,Cut Foreign Spending! Spend the money here at home first and everyone else should take a number ;)
Personaly I think they should all go elsewhere for their sponge money;)
 
I am a retired physician, but I have been concerned for years about the widespread us of Ritalin,Adderall and other amphetamine type agents given to kids starting in childhood.This is for what I believe is an overused diagnosis based on behavior which in my day was being a "boy".Day dreaming and wanting to be somewhere other than school.This makes them "more controllable".This is endorsed by pediatricians whose medical organization is on of the most antigun next to the Brady Bunch.
"There ought to be a law..."
 
Here's the transcript if you haven't seen it.


http://home.nra.org/pdf/Transcript_PDF.pdf

I thought it was good.
Thanks. I think it is good, too. NRA offering security planning for free. Recommends armed security, but says that is only part of the answer and armed or not should be left to individual schools and their kids parents to decide. Putting the program under Asa Hutchinson, who has a very credible track record, is a good idea, too.

I think a little too heavy on the bad effects of violent video games and movies, but overall, quite good.

Worth reading if you haven't.
 
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The amount of money spent was in the millions. I saw the amount of supplies and equipment ordered and received, it was sickening. For what?? Half the students got kicked out for good. We had 3 full time officers at the school. Constant fighting, drugs, weapons etc.

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For what? So that more public employees can be hired. Teachers...administrators....security...counselors...cafeteria workers....janitors....you name it...

When will people realize that the public school system has little to do with education and everything to do with providing government employees with jobs.

May I also remind everyone that there was a sheriff's deputy at Columbine on that tragic day?

Deputy at Columbine

As tragic as school shootings are, kids are much more likely to drown, get poisoned, or killed in a car!

Andrew
 
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Come on! How on earth can we fund cops in every school in the United States? I can't believe that I waited a week for this.

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It's easy to do. Lets say you have a school with 500 kids in it and each family chipped in $10 per month "every month" that would be $60,000 per year. Most parents would pay $10 per month to keep their kid safe. Don
 
This is something you might think about, any time a CCW owner drives past a school, if you are carrying your breaking the law here in Ar. and I would think many other states also you are not supposed to have a weapon within a 1000 feet of a school, what if you live closer than that. Jeff
 
NRA blew it. Spoke to their base, not America.

There is no more mainstream America anymore. So I guess:

1. Wayne should have shown up in a minivan on a soccer field and handed out soccer balls so he could identify with moms.
2. Wayne should have shown up on "The View" and put free copies of The Rifleman under all the seats in the audience.
3. Wayne should have developed a NRA rap song and rapped it to the audience with an NRA cap with the bill dead flat on his head.
4. Wayne really should have had his speech translated into at least six different languages that new residents here stubbornly refuse to give up.
5. Wayne should have handed out free cheese.

Wayne is not a great public speaker but he got his point across to anyone that cared to really listen.
 
I wasn't able to hear the NRA response, but took the time to read the transcript.
I thought it was very good, hitting the nails on the head. Now, if the presentation was off, that does not help our cause as gun owners and enthusiasts.
 
At least the NRA has offered a positive suggestion that might work or at least help in many circumstances. I don't hear anything nearly as useful being suggested by anyone else.

The concept of handling some of the challenges schools face with trained and dedicated volunteers seems like a good approach and is consistent with the way things were usually done when I was a kid.

So, I like the basic premise of the suggestion for armed citizen volunteers. Having more good people on your team makes your team stronger.
 
You missed the point of stating the thousands of RETIRED LEOS and Military persons.

Many of those would be more than happy to do it for free.

Seriously?

Let's be serious people, retired LEO's and Military are not lining up to do this, for free anyway.

I feel let down by the response too. I thought given a week to come up with something, this was pretty weak.
 
There is no such thing as "reasonable gun control".

The only thing that I would consider reasonable are:

1. Force all the states to require a background check for every weapon sold (not retroactive) and no more 10 day wait*. Background checks can be done instantly.

2. I would include mental illness (the forms that show a proclivity towards violence), except for the fact that there currently is no way of doing this.

3. Leave everything else alone.


* If we give up something, they need to as well. They should not be allowed to cram this down our throats.
 
No body is saying further cuts to education, this is not an education problem and no one is asking schools to pay for this. It's a national security problem, don't mix the two.

They already spend more than $6,435,000,000 on TSA and Air Marshalls. Have they stopped any more World Trade Tower incidences, no one knows for sure, but there hasn't been another one since 9/11.

Everything boils down to money. If the money doesn't come from education, what is going to be cut? The last time I heard, we were having a fiscal crisis that could result in a government shutdown.
 

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