Obama, Reid slam brakes on gun control
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Yes, that's what I thought when the "commission" was announced. Traditional way of getting away from a thorny issue while appeasing your supporters. Obama is not a stupid man, he knows that there's more to be lost than gained if they want to push the issue. Feinstein, Schumer, McCarthy, Boxer, et al, I have no such faith in. CSPAN has a clip of Feinstein proposing that ALL semiautomatic AR type guns be put on the NFA registry, because some can be converted to full auto with an RDIAS.
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/4254274
So, while the administration has found a way to get the hot potato out of their hands, our traditional foes in Congress are still gearing up. Anyone who is interested can go back and look at statements by the above-named in which they clearly say that they want to make ALL GUNS ILLEGAL. They know they can't do it in one fell swoop, so they are trying to use the recent tragedy to further their agenda incrementally, with the Evil Black Rifles and High Capacity Magazines. Their strategy is to co-opt gun owners who may not like AR's, some examples of which have posted in this forum, and work to divided and conquer. So, we have our work cut out for us. Don't think this is going away soon, because it is not. Sic Semper Tyrannis!
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/4254274
So, while the administration has found a way to get the hot potato out of their hands, our traditional foes in Congress are still gearing up. Anyone who is interested can go back and look at statements by the above-named in which they clearly say that they want to make ALL GUNS ILLEGAL. They know they can't do it in one fell swoop, so they are trying to use the recent tragedy to further their agenda incrementally, with the Evil Black Rifles and High Capacity Magazines. Their strategy is to co-opt gun owners who may not like AR's, some examples of which have posted in this forum, and work to divided and conquer. So, we have our work cut out for us. Don't think this is going away soon, because it is not. Sic Semper Tyrannis!
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Knightrider03m
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1- I do not care about anything with guns right now, lets get over this tax derailment 1st
(No mods, I'm not turning this into what you guys think I'm turning it into)
2- I know this is a far reach but I think that this "study" might be good for us as it might just show that guns are needed as crime rates go down after the AWB.
(No mods, I'm not turning this into what you guys think I'm turning it into)
2- I know this is a far reach but I think that this "study" might be good for us as it might just show that guns are needed as crime rates go down after the AWB.
Apparently you are one of the NRA members who is content to let others carry your water. I would submit that if we let the Antis frame the debate, and let them build support for their proposals without opposition, we will find ourselves not having gun rights to worry about.
If you think that you have a means of turning the debate on the fiscal cliff, more power to you. What I see is kabuki of the first order; we will go over the cliff and then higher taxes will be a done deal. But that subject is not one for this forum.
And, if you think that Obama and Biden are going to have ANYTHING good to say about guns via their commission, you are completely detached from reality. Look at the records of those who oppose the private ownership of guns, their history of statements and legislation, and by all means, feel free to refute anything I have said. Good Luck!
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Knightrider03m
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Yes lets look at the history of people that hated guns. 49% of Americans didn't want gun control back in 2008, now 54% (or 52%, I forgot which) now is in favor of some type of gun control after the Sandy Hook shooting. Not all of the 54% are democrats and I think that it is very uneducated of those that only attack democrats for being anti-gun. Right now, I live in a state that has a Governor that failed to sign at least 3 pro gun bills and he happened to be a Republican while our last very pro gun democrat Governor signed any gun bill that crossed her desk.
I think focusing all of your energy on one group of people based on their political party is going to hurt you when its all said and done.
Despite what everyone say, Obama could give two craps about any type of gun ban before Sandy Hook. The gun ban was all but forced upon him by people that is more anti gun then what he is "made out" to be. Honestly, I'm starting to think that he isn't anti gun.
Name me one POTUS that wouldn't take the steps that he is taking after something as tragic as Sandy Hook. (For all that is holy DO NOT name Clinton, he already did it)
What are you saying, that it's a done deal, so lets roll over?
Why are you acting like I am attacking Obama, Biden or a particular politcal party? Are you unaware of Obama's platform promises, or his statements in the wake of the Sandy Hook tragedy? All I can guess from your statements is that you are an Obama supporter, and don't really care if some gun owners' rights are infringed upon, since you don't see it affecting you.
You really ought to think before you type, and if you don't support the Second Amendment, maybe you should get off this forum and turn in your guns. Again I ask, what exactly is your point?
ETA Take a look at the Feinstein proposals. Do you honestly think that Obama would not sign it into law if it makes it to his desk?
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The President has historically supported some extremely draconian proposals for gun laws in the past. Not only would he sign this, but he'd go further if he could. Believe that, and no I'm not being partisan.
I remember hearing President Obama speaking on putting Vice President Biben in charge of this commission he said something I found interesting he used the phrase gun safety not gun control It struck me as significant along with congress being accomplished at kicking cans down the road we might be getting ahead of ourselves letting our emotions lead us in one direction or another.
I am Union and I voted for Obama but I also joined the NRA and I am a firm believer of the 2nd amendment.
The president has some power over gun controls already enacted but its congress who has to pass the laws. Thats where we need to use the big stick more to defend ourselves and our rights. The People Republic reps will always push for no guns at all as guns scare them.
I say keep the pressure on congress and please join the NRA and other firearm rights groups.
my 2.5 cents ( inflation)
The president has some power over gun controls already enacted but its congress who has to pass the laws. Thats where we need to use the big stick more to defend ourselves and our rights. The People Republic reps will always push for no guns at all as guns scare them.
I say keep the pressure on congress and please join the NRA and other firearm rights groups.
my 2.5 cents ( inflation)
^ this guy has it right
So when did polls become accurate? I don't believe in the accuracey of polling, too many variables and one can always use demographics to swing the polls in certain ways.
doc540
Member
grandstanding proposals
death by a thousand cuts
ammo tax
firearms tax
manufacturer liability
restrictions on transport and transfer
Like a patient python, steadily squeezing a little breath at a time
death by a thousand cuts
ammo tax
firearms tax
manufacturer liability
restrictions on transport and transfer
Like a patient python, steadily squeezing a little breath at a time
StatesRightist
Member
Just as I predicted, commission, delay...about March maybe, something minor happens, but I still think the House shoots whatever the Senate passes down. Join the NRA, get others to join, stay vigilant. I've added 4 new members this week by talking to people about it.
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Out West
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Maybe, or maybe not. Dianne Feinstein is writing the bill. Here is what she proposes to submit - straight from her own website: Assault Weapons - Issues - United States Senator Dianne Feinstein.
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Feinstein's proposed AWB Legislation
Straight from the horse's mouth:
feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons
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Stopping the spread of deadly assault weapons
In January, Senator Feinstein will introduce a bill to stop the sale, transfer, importation and manufacturing of military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition feeding devises.
To receive updates on this legislation, click here.
Press releases
Feinstein to Introduce Updated Assault Weapons Bill in New Congress, December 17, 2012
Feinstein Statement on Connecticut School Shooting, December 14, 2012
Summary of 2013 legislation
Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation:
Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:
•120 specifically-named firearms
•Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic
•Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds
•Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:
•Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test
•Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test
•Banning firearms with "thumbhole stocks" and "bullet buttons" to address attempts to "work around" prior bans
•Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:
•Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment
•Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes and
•Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons
•Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
•Background check of owner and any transferee;
•Type and serial number of the firearm;
•Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
•Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
•Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration
A pdf of the bill summary is available here:
feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/files/serve/?File_id=10993387-5d4d-4680-a872-ac8ca4359119
There it is folks.
Senator Feinstein is one of the most vocal anti-gun senators in the nation. She has stated on the record that if she could she would have Americans turn in their firearms the next day.
Straight from the horse's mouth:
feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons
(Hot linking deliberately disabled, so you'll have to copy and paste.)
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Stopping the spread of deadly assault weapons
In January, Senator Feinstein will introduce a bill to stop the sale, transfer, importation and manufacturing of military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition feeding devises.
To receive updates on this legislation, click here.
Press releases
Feinstein to Introduce Updated Assault Weapons Bill in New Congress, December 17, 2012
Feinstein Statement on Connecticut School Shooting, December 14, 2012
Summary of 2013 legislation
Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation:
Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:
•120 specifically-named firearms
•Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic
•Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds
•Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:
•Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test
•Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test
•Banning firearms with "thumbhole stocks" and "bullet buttons" to address attempts to "work around" prior bans
•Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:
•Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment
•Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes and
•Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons
•Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
•Background check of owner and any transferee;
•Type and serial number of the firearm;
•Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
•Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
•Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration
A pdf of the bill summary is available here:
feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/files/serve/?File_id=10993387-5d4d-4680-a872-ac8ca4359119
There it is folks.
Senator Feinstein is one of the most vocal anti-gun senators in the nation. She has stated on the record that if she could she would have Americans turn in their firearms the next day.
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Obama's strategy is to force a rush to judgement, before the emotions following the Newtown tragedy dissipate. Hurry! Hurry! Hurry! It is incumbent on us to make our Congressmen take time to think, and something to think about.
The gun-grabbers are trying to show that the AWB ban worked, that crime rates went down. Okay, they did go down from a peak in 1992, past the 2004 expiration of AWB and are still going down. There was no noticeable break in the curve during or after the AWB.
They would like to blame "assault" rifles (meaning any semi-automatic rifle) on crime, yet they figure in less than 1% of gun crimes, mostly near the Mexican border. There were no violent crimes committed with "assault" rifles in Chicago or New York for the last five years.
In short, these weapons are low-hanging fruit that receive less than enthusiastic support even from many gun owners. If you feel that way, remember, you're next. The original 1934 National Firearms Act banned pistols and revolvers too, not just Tommy guns. It was largely through the efforts of the NRA and gun owners that these provisions were dropped. Our adversaries are hoping they get it "right" this time.
The gun-grabbers are trying to show that the AWB ban worked, that crime rates went down. Okay, they did go down from a peak in 1992, past the 2004 expiration of AWB and are still going down. There was no noticeable break in the curve during or after the AWB.
They would like to blame "assault" rifles (meaning any semi-automatic rifle) on crime, yet they figure in less than 1% of gun crimes, mostly near the Mexican border. There were no violent crimes committed with "assault" rifles in Chicago or New York for the last five years.
In short, these weapons are low-hanging fruit that receive less than enthusiastic support even from many gun owners. If you feel that way, remember, you're next. The original 1934 National Firearms Act banned pistols and revolvers too, not just Tommy guns. It was largely through the efforts of the NRA and gun owners that these provisions were dropped. Our adversaries are hoping they get it "right" this time.
Delos
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Brakes must mean Gas Pedal
Well, the web site address you posted begins with the words -- with President Obama's announcement of a commission to study and recommend ways to reduce gun violence…… (Scary words from a liberal)
Several sentences later -- The president's decision to appoint a blue-ribbon panel….
It sounds to me like he is going to again see which way the wind is blowing and how much the wind can be diverted? It seems he has used regulations to bring down any growth in the coal power industry. And those guys have a lot of money. My guess is that they will use that money to by stock in natural gas or whatever is going to grow.
I will never give up my guns until the last criminal gang, usually drug gangs, ceases to exist. I know the history of the Italian Gangsters helping our military invade Italy during WWII. So, their status was a bit like the German Scientists we encouraged to emigrate and gave great jobs -- The Italian mob seems to have favorable status or some-such. But when they helped start the Mexican drug gangs in the 1960's in Los Angeles one would think they expanded a bit much.
I cannot ever imagine this countries leaders defeating the criminal drug gangs. So my standing offer to turn in my guns if the alleged war against drug gangs and other crime is won will never happen. I would be happy to shoot pellet guns and hunt with crossbows if our politicians ever took their anticrime job seriously.
Hollywood has always made their bread and butter movies about Sex and Violence. That is not likely to change. Video games copied the Hollywood formula.
(This subject gets way to long)
Well, the web site address you posted begins with the words -- with President Obama's announcement of a commission to study and recommend ways to reduce gun violence…… (Scary words from a liberal)
Several sentences later -- The president's decision to appoint a blue-ribbon panel….
It sounds to me like he is going to again see which way the wind is blowing and how much the wind can be diverted? It seems he has used regulations to bring down any growth in the coal power industry. And those guys have a lot of money. My guess is that they will use that money to by stock in natural gas or whatever is going to grow.
I will never give up my guns until the last criminal gang, usually drug gangs, ceases to exist. I know the history of the Italian Gangsters helping our military invade Italy during WWII. So, their status was a bit like the German Scientists we encouraged to emigrate and gave great jobs -- The Italian mob seems to have favorable status or some-such. But when they helped start the Mexican drug gangs in the 1960's in Los Angeles one would think they expanded a bit much.
I cannot ever imagine this countries leaders defeating the criminal drug gangs. So my standing offer to turn in my guns if the alleged war against drug gangs and other crime is won will never happen. I would be happy to shoot pellet guns and hunt with crossbows if our politicians ever took their anticrime job seriously.
Hollywood has always made their bread and butter movies about Sex and Violence. That is not likely to change. Video games copied the Hollywood formula.
(This subject gets way to long)
Delos
Member
Then that site leads to this:
Obama Vows Fast Action in New Push for Gun Control
December 19, 2012
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/u...ss-plan-on-gun-control-within-weeks.html?_r=0
The so called fiscal cliff is a joke , in the big picture there is very little diff between the repub and dem's plans and it is almost the same if we do nothing
The 2nd amendment needs to be top priority
Joewisc
US Veteran
Looks like the headline writer and the reporter got carried away. Not much new in this. When Presidents don't know what to do they usually create a "blue-ribbon" panel and pass the buck to buy some time. Feinstein is grandstanding and premature by presenting a bill before the commission even has a chance to meet. It's all political theater designed to quell the masses who want the government "to do something."
As for the so-called "fiscal cliff," best if we drive over it rather than succumb to a last-minute "deal" aimed at making both parties look heroic. The military budget is bloated anyway and other cuts need to happen. Taxes will go up but what else is new? The sun will still come up and there will be bread and circuses for all.
As for the so-called "fiscal cliff," best if we drive over it rather than succumb to a last-minute "deal" aimed at making both parties look heroic. The military budget is bloated anyway and other cuts need to happen. Taxes will go up but what else is new? The sun will still come up and there will be bread and circuses for all.
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