David White
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I'm not registering squat.
My advice to gun control duchebags is to come and get'em.
My advice to gun control duchebags is to come and get'em.
Gun Background Checks Supported By More Than 90 Percent
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darmtn1917
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Need to look at whats happened/happening in Ca - Universal background checks has lead to reg (rifles included as of 2014) and now they are proposing laws that will outlaw most semi autos (pistols & rifles) with no grandfathering or compensation
Police chief in southern Ca. city quoted saying that "they" could end private ownership in 40 years
It is that simple Checks will equal registration
Police chief in southern Ca. city quoted saying that "they" could end private ownership in 40 years
It is that simple Checks will equal registration
Aticus
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Guess I'm a 10 percenter.
Black_Sheep
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I can't speak specifically to what the NRA was doing during that time period, although I do recall their strong public opposition to the '94 AWB. Currently, I feel the NRA is doing a pretty fair job of keeping their members informed about pending legislation on both the state and national level. In my home state of Minnesota we are facing new gun control legislation that almost mirrors the recent legislation signed into law by Governor Cuomo. The NRA/ILA sends daily updates via email. They clearly summarized the bills, provided links to the actual bills on the 'net and provided contact information for representatives and key committee members.
I take advantage of the tools that the NRA provides to speak for myself, as a law abiding citizen and a voter. Maybe that's where the sudden outcry is coming from, people are finding their voices. They've seen enough and they've had enough, folks that said "it will never happen" are seeing "it" happen, and they are upset.
Black_Sheep
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Exactly, universal background checks will never work without total gun registration.
I saw a report on the news this evening that the D's and the R's are making a "deal" on background checks, Manchin and Colburn in the middle of it.
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sq hunter
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Backround checks are a back door to registration. A right waived is a right lost. Just like random car searches. I got nothing to hide . But I want to support the 4th ammendment. Just an example.
Not so much. FFLs are only required to keep the paper copies of 4473s for 7 years, for auditing purposes. After that, everyone I know shreds them.
The FBI still retains the electronic record of the transaction, however. The electronic record only "knows" that you bought a Long Gun, Handgun, or Other. There is only a record of you buying a firearm. There is no record of the serial number (or even the mfr. or model) after that paper copy is destroyed.
Take a close look at what they are really trying to do. Obama wants to build a gun registration federal database from back ground check information that is currently not in place. This is how Obama intends to do search and firearms seizure that bypasses older laws. This enables Obama to confiscate in any state any firearm using his terrorist executive orders (which bypass the U.S. constitution).
Twenty seven states now have laws pending in their legislatures (at last count) to stop this power grab by Obama. Currently in six older federal laws states have the sole responsibility for regulation of personal gun owner information (from federal hunting laws). Obama wants to do away with states rights for firearms registration information so only he controls what happens to firearms.
Twenty seven states now have laws pending in their legislatures (at last count) to stop this power grab by Obama. Currently in six older federal laws states have the sole responsibility for regulation of personal gun owner information (from federal hunting laws). Obama wants to do away with states rights for firearms registration information so only he controls what happens to firearms.
jtpur
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Why not background checks for car buyer. We don't want drunks driving. Why not background checks before you can have kids. We don't want the mental nuts to be around small children. You folks who want to sacrifice security for liberty deserve neither.
Jack Wagon
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The issue is not “background checks” and never has been about “background checks.” Most people are for background checks. The issue is that during the process of a “background checks” should we allow the federal government to build permanent databases about the confidential information you supply, about the firearms you are purchasing and about your statement of mental health.
What has annoyed people is Obama half statement “…the NRA and American people support back ground checks…” but what Obama fails to explain is that he intends to capture your personal confidential state information, firearm information and mental health statements in a federal database.
What has annoyed people is Obama half statement “…the NRA and American people support back ground checks…” but what Obama fails to explain is that he intends to capture your personal confidential state information, firearm information and mental health statements in a federal database.
5Wire
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Along the lines of, "Baseball is 90% mental -- the other half is physical."—Yogi Berra
magsherman
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Why are so many Police Chiefs getting onboard with the "antis"?
Capt.Jim
Member
I absolutely agree with RabbitOne....
Now they are going to ban AR15s, because they say it was used in Newton massacre...
Let's say that law passed and AR15s gone...
Imagine 2 year later another maniac walked into school with 2 Glocks 17 rounds on each magazine and killed 20 kids...
Whoops semi-auto Assault Pistol ban....
Who got them?
Refer to National database...
Then you'll receive a letter indicating that you have 10 days to return your registered Glock with serial # xxxxxxx to the nearest Police Dept. If you don't comply you'll be charged with felony and every late day will cause a fine of $500 and up to 1 year in jail.
Enjoy,
Dream on about harmless background checks, friends....
Now they are going to ban AR15s, because they say it was used in Newton massacre...
Let's say that law passed and AR15s gone...
Imagine 2 year later another maniac walked into school with 2 Glocks 17 rounds on each magazine and killed 20 kids...
Whoops semi-auto Assault Pistol ban....
Who got them?
Refer to National database...
Then you'll receive a letter indicating that you have 10 days to return your registered Glock with serial # xxxxxxx to the nearest Police Dept. If you don't comply you'll be charged with felony and every late day will cause a fine of $500 and up to 1 year in jail.
Enjoy,
Dream on about harmless background checks, friends....
stumper
US Veteran
All sales through and FFL already require a background check. In many states sales of pistols with private individuals also requires a background check (FOID cards, purchase permits etc.)c With that said there are still some free states that do not require a private sale to conduct a background check - or more accurately do not "alllow" a private citizen to conduct a background check.
With that said, what I would like to know is "how" a system would look that would allow individuals to perform background checks??? The current system can not handle the call volume from FFLs so adding private citizens would completely bog it down. Is it right for a private individaul to call the government hot line and request a background check on their neighbor - or some brief acquaintance? What would keep this from being abused by anyone just wanting to find out background information on a meighbor??
If you dismiss the general point of whether we should allow the "Universal" background check at all - how the heck would they implement it to begin with????
With that said, what I would like to know is "how" a system would look that would allow individuals to perform background checks??? The current system can not handle the call volume from FFLs so adding private citizens would completely bog it down. Is it right for a private individaul to call the government hot line and request a background check on their neighbor - or some brief acquaintance? What would keep this from being abused by anyone just wanting to find out background information on a meighbor??
If you dismiss the general point of whether we should allow the "Universal" background check at all - how the heck would they implement it to begin with????
Freeway
US Veteran
I am guessing that any background checks for firearms transfers between individuals will have to go through an FFL. What I don't know is whether the FFL's will be able to charge whatever price they want, or if there will be a set fee.
The short answer is, you don't.
In Texas, private sales between parties are legal without paperwork or background checks. I'm not a lawyer, but it is my understanding that the onus is on the buyer to legally purchase, not the seller...but a prudent seller will at least ask the buyer if there is any reason he cannot legally buy/own the gun being purchased.
I would also say that common sense has to enter into it. For example, if a young child, one that was obviously about 10 years old, tried to buy a handgun from you, I doubt that it would be a defense on your part to say you had no duty to confirm his legal ability to buy or own the handgun.
I have sold a few guns FTF without paperwork, but they have all been to long-term forum members who, while I didn't know them personally, I felt reasonably comfortable with them because of their forum participation. When we met, I asked and they first stated that they could legally buy and own the gun, before we continued the process. They also showed me a Texas driver's license and in most cases, a CHL. (No, I didn't ask for copies.)
If I was unsure about the buyer, I would meet the buyer at a LGS and have them process a transfer...or not sell the gun to the individual at all.
dougb1946
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How can you approve any bill until you read the actual text? The old saying, "the devil is in the details" really applies. A $500 fee for a background check, with everything you own being listed? A check that includes a personal inspection? "Shall issue" or complete discretion of the clerk? You might wind up approving a healthcare bill.
