s&w warranty isn't bullet proof

think about it! What is S&W actually offering to do for him? there offering to sell him a gun at dealer cost (the same price gun dealers pay) not there cost! there making the same profit as they did on the gun that blew up! granted he is getting a discount over buying a new gun from a dealer so that is nice especially if the ammo was the problem.

What's your point? Since when did the term, "good customer service", turn into, "give me something for free, even though I don't deserve it"? That's a big part of the problem in the United States nowadays, too much of a sense of entitlement for everything. In hindsight, maybe the proper thing to do would have been to insure the gun under homeowner's insurance and file a damage claim? That at least might have some merit. :rolleyes:
 
Simple, if he didn't agree to take their offer of a replacement at reduced pricing, they'd have to return it to him, as it's his property (damaged or not). Then he'd be able to take it up with Federal if he chose. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.

It's a moot point anyway since he's already agreed to purchase the replacement.

Why does S&W want his old gun, it's his he paid for it ?

Why can't he have his old one back and get one at cost ?

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I blew up a Springfield Armory XD in .40 cal. when they first came out. They replaced it free of charge. I still traded it back to the dealer.
 
Why does S&W want his old gun, it's his he paid for it ?

Why can't he have his old one back and get one at cost ?

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1. If you read back through this thread, the OP states that S&W would keep the old one if he chose to purchase the replacement from them at dealer cost.

2. Because those are the terms of S&W's proposal. Being that it (according to S&W) isn't the gun's fault, why should they offer him a replacement at dealer cost at all? The way I see it, S&W's offer is fair considering they could just wash their hands of it completely and lay it all on Federal.
 
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People go on and on about how great S&W's lifetime warranty is.

All it takes is selling the company again to turn that into a non-lifetime thing, or a "you need the receipt" ala Kel-Tec thing.


It IS, I have had to use it a few times myself. They recently replaced my 642 that had a cracked frame, no questions asked, even though I was at least the 3rd owner of the gun. Ever try to get Kimber to fix something?
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What's your point? Since when did the term, "good customer service", turn into, "give me something for free, even though I don't deserve it"? That's a big part of the problem in the United States nowadays, too much of a sense of entitlement for everything. In hindsight, maybe the proper thing to do would have been to insure the gun under homeowner's insurance and file a damage claim? That at least might have some merit. :rolleyes:

When did great customer service become doing the right thing? The bottom line is the right thing is for Smith and Wesson to take care of him or prove beyond a reasonable doubt they where not at fault. They have not proven beyond a reasonable doubt the gun was not at fault.

I am sorry but there word is not good enough proof. I would want hard facts on why they believe its not there fault. What test did they run how did they alter the gun determine the cause of issue etc etc.

Great customer service would have been taking care of a customer. There is nothing entitled about wanting something to work you payed for. There still no proof the ammo was at fault other then Smith and Wesson saying it was. Once they provide reliable proof the ammo was at fault then sure that's wanting to be entitled not until.

On top of all that on a issue like this. I think its more profitable to just eat the cost of a single 500 dollar handgun. How many people will find this forum (its the largest Smith and Wesson forum on the internet). Then decide to go with a different manufactures because the customer service seems questionable in a few threads.

I know when I was looking at 1911's I took a strong hard look at Magnum Research. The gun in question was like 700-800 dollars. I liked the build quality seemed really well made and fitted. What ended up turning me completely off of it was the fact it had questionable customer service. I hope to never have to use customer service. In a worse case I do need customer service I like to know they will do whats right to the best of there abilities
 
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What you're talking about is unreasonable. S&W would be completely within their rights to give him nothing. Instead they offered him something. For all they know, he could have been using a reload.

Beyond a reasonable doubt??? Are you kidding me? This is not a court of law. They have no burden to prove anything. They have made the owner satisfied. What more can be asked?
 
When did great customer service become doing the right thing? "Doing the right thing" in instances like this, is purely subjective. The bottom line is the right thing is for Smith and Wesson to take care of him or prove beyond a reasonable doubt they where not at fault. They have not proven beyond a reasonable doubt the gun was not at fault. One could say the same thing about Federal. The only reason anyone is gunning for S&W is because the OP sent it there first. I bet you'd be saying Federal should pay for his new gun because it's the right thing to do, if he had sent it there first.

I am sorry but there word is not good enough proof. I would want hard facts on why they believe its not there fault. What test did they run how did they alter the gun determine the cause of issue etc etc. The OP's word that it happened when firing is supposed to be good enough. Their word is good enough until it goes to small claims court. The OP has already arranged to accept S&W's offer, so that's not an option any longer.

Great customer service would have been taking care of a customer. They ARE taking care of a customer. For all they know he could have run the gun over with a truck. Would it be their responsibility then? There is nothing entitled about wanting something to work you payed for. It did work, up until the point where the gun met with a particular cartridge of ammunition made by Federal. Sure, forensics could determine exactly what was at fault beyond a reasonable doubt, but neither S&W nor Federal want to spend that kind of time and money on something that has no real consequence to their multimillion dollar business. There still no proof the ammo was at fault other then Smith and Wesson saying it was. Once they provide reliable proof the ammo was at fault then sure that's wanting to be entitled not until. I'm sure if he pushed the issue with S&W, they would have given him more details regarding their findings. But he didn't. He accepted their offer, which they were in no obligation to give.

On top of all that on a issue like this. I think its more profitable to just eat the cost of a single 500 dollar handgun. How many people will find this forum (its the largest Smith and Wesson forum on the internet). Then decide to go with a different manufactures because the customer service seems questionable in a few threads. Every company has good and bad reviews. People are people after all. I doubt one bad review from the OP would do them in.

I know when I was looking at 1911's I took a strong hard look at Magnum Research. The gun in question was like 700-800 dollars. I liked the build quality seemed really well made and fitted. What ended up turning me completely off of it was the fact it had questionable customer service. I hope to never have to use customer service. In a worse case I do need customer service I like to know they will do whats right to the best of there abilities

Some will have good experiences, others will have bad. I learned a long time ago to see things for myself before making prejudiced decisions.
 
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If S&W really wanted to do the right thing, then they could have sold him the gun at dealer cost (thus S&W wouldn't be out any money since they claim they have no responsibility in the incident) ...but, then returned the damaged gun so he could take it to the ammo manufacturer and get them to pay for what was out of his pocket for the loss - especially since S&W claimed it was clearly ammo related anyway.

S&W is sort of doing a nice thing, however, they are also removing any physical evidence that could come back on them. What if the ammo manufacturer's specialists was to say it was clearly a gun failure? I have to wonder if S&W is really just covering their own.

BTW, I am not picking sides in the issue because I myself do not know who is technically at fault. But, I do have to say to be completely fair, the ammo manufacturer never got their chance to evaluate the gun.
 
They gave him the chance to get his gun back and take it to Federal. He chose to go with their offer instead. BTW, since S&W does not sell directly to the public, and to FFL licensed dealers instead, they ARE doing him a favor by offering him a replacement at dealer cost.
 
It IS, I have had to use it a few times myself. They recently replaced my 642 that had a cracked frame, no questions asked, even though I was at least the 3rd owner of the gun. Ever try to get Kimber to fix something?
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Not denying that S&W handles warranty claims very well, for now. I'm just saying that nobody knows what the future holds for any company.

S&W is run by humans, just like every other company that is bought and sold in this world. I may be wrong here, but was S&W the company that was once British-owned, and did a deal with Bill Clinton that burned a lot of people in the gun industry? I imagine people didn't see that one coming under the owner prior to that, either.

Just sayin...
 
I have no doubt that the ammo was at fault seeing that production has increased greatly due to the shortages. The same can be said about S&W. Guns are in short supply so production has been increased. With increased production comes poor quality control. It's even possible that both the gun AND the ammo are at fault & it was just your misfortune that the two coincided in your gun. I've sort of been waiting for something like this to happen praying that nobody got injured.

As others have suggested I'd definitely give the ammo manufacturer a call. The main goal is to get you a new working pistol with reliable ammo.
 
I don't want to sound like an old f@rt, but if you weren't buying guns, magazines and ammo in 1994 you won't remember that we've been through this before, and in the case of many manufacturers it was not pretty. :(
 
They gave him the chance to get his gun back and take it to Federal. He chose to go with their offer instead. BTW, since S&W does not sell directly to the public, and to FFL licensed dealers instead, they ARE doing him a favor by offering him a replacement at dealer cost.

But unless S&W kept it for legal reasons (any lawyers here?), I'm not sure I agree with S&W's offer to keep the gun if he wanted a new one at cost. I could just be conspiracy theorist, but to me it sounds fishy. IMO, S&W returning the gun with full documentation as to why it was not a gun-related failure would be excellent customer service.
 
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But unless S&W kept it for legal reasons (any lawyers here?), I'm not sure I agree with S&W's offer to keep the gun if he wanted a new one at cost. I could just be conspiracy theorist, but to me it sounds fishy. IMO, S&W returning the gun with full documentation as to why it was not a gun-related failure would be excellent customer service.

Exactly, he paid for two guns and only received one, Smith and Wesson kept his original gun, and was defended by the fellows here who would come unglued if Smith were to treat them in such a manner, and he paid full price for his second gun- minus the profit for S&W. Smith you struck out on this at bat, to the OP my sincere apology for misleading you as to Smith and Wessons Honor, profit is a poor master, who sacrifices integrity for a quick buck. typical of the 47 percent, they just want their money, I've worked for some of those, always left a bad taste in my mouth, I hate apologizing for the bosses lack of integrity. Billy Magg
 
BillyMagg, some of us would have requested a report from Smith and Wesson regarding their findings, requested the return of the damaged gun, and taken it to Federal for replacement or litigation. The OP decided to accept S&W's offer of his own accord. If he didn't like their offer, then he should have chosen a different route. Otherwise, he has nobody to blame but himself. I'm not of the mind that I should receive something for nothing. I don't see this as dishonorable on S&W's fault. Sure, they didn't go above and beyond, but that's a rare thing and isn't to be expected as the norm.
 
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