Mr Pokeyman
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Liberals with guns. They still think they are better than anyone else. This forum is polluted with them and it is starting to get old. 
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Do you have the stats to back up this "simple fact"? From what I see and have heard, even here in oppressive NY state, is that the issuing agencies are overwhelmed with new pistol license applicants. Waiting times to obtain a license have doubled in many instances.
EDITED: Nevermind, I found it, the NY Times says ownership is down. It must be true.
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gregintenn
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If the liberals who are squawking for better training really meant it, wouldn't it be a required class in public schools? The OP here is obviously a plant from some progressive group. I've been seeing more and more of this lately on gun forums.
Tell us, Bengal, from which fertile progressive's mind did this plan sprout? Huh? Going to gun forums and talking them into agreeing to new gun control measures? Really??!!??
You know what? I'll go one step further and request to see your discharge papers from the military. I find it difficult to believe someone could serve our country and have the train of thought you exhibit.
If I'm wrong about you, I'll gladly apologize. I doubt I'll need to, however.
Tell us, Bengal, from which fertile progressive's mind did this plan sprout? Huh? Going to gun forums and talking them into agreeing to new gun control measures? Really??!!??
You know what? I'll go one step further and request to see your discharge papers from the military. I find it difficult to believe someone could serve our country and have the train of thought you exhibit.
If I'm wrong about you, I'll gladly apologize. I doubt I'll need to, however.
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Exactly, here in NY you can't even legally TOUCH a handgun without having a pistol license.
So after going thru all the paperwork, fingerprinting, investigation, and waiting up to and including a year or more of beaurocratic red tape, people still haven't even fired a firearm. Then all of a sudden, a license is issued, and the unwashed are relieved to know a qualified individual has been licensed and deemed competent. 
Realzebub45
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Future possible scenario -
Reality:
Private citizen who just completed week long training at Thunder Ranch thwarts Terrorist attack at public outdoor event at State U. by engaging and neutralizing 4 confirmed Terrorists before they could follow through on their plans to go on a shooting rampage at the crowded annual outdoor event. Once spotted in the parking lot preparing their weapons for their planned onslaught, Joe Citizen took it upon himself, at great personal risk, to stop what he thought was an immanent attack. Even after receiving multiple wounds, Joe managed to call upon his training to survive the event and managed to stop all 4 terrorists before they were able to proceed with their plans.
What some mindless idiot like Sir Piers Morgan would report:
Deranged american hillbilly goes on vigilante shooting spree in State U. parking lot and murders 4 foreign exchange students from Chechnya.
It has been confirmed that Mr. Citizen had just completed week long para-military training meant for training law enforcement, and used all the newly acquired killing skills to take the lives of these 4 chemical engineering students from Chechnya.
There is some confusion as to how Mr. Citizen received multiple rifle rounds from a rifle not found in his possession. Local Politician, Jane Blowhard (D), vows to stiffen local gun laws for automatic weapons like those used by Mr. Citizen and those found near the bodies of these 4 innocent teenagers.
Reality:
Private citizen who just completed week long training at Thunder Ranch thwarts Terrorist attack at public outdoor event at State U. by engaging and neutralizing 4 confirmed Terrorists before they could follow through on their plans to go on a shooting rampage at the crowded annual outdoor event. Once spotted in the parking lot preparing their weapons for their planned onslaught, Joe Citizen took it upon himself, at great personal risk, to stop what he thought was an immanent attack. Even after receiving multiple wounds, Joe managed to call upon his training to survive the event and managed to stop all 4 terrorists before they were able to proceed with their plans.
What some mindless idiot like Sir Piers Morgan would report:
Deranged american hillbilly goes on vigilante shooting spree in State U. parking lot and murders 4 foreign exchange students from Chechnya.
It has been confirmed that Mr. Citizen had just completed week long para-military training meant for training law enforcement, and used all the newly acquired killing skills to take the lives of these 4 chemical engineering students from Chechnya.
There is some confusion as to how Mr. Citizen received multiple rifle rounds from a rifle not found in his possession. Local Politician, Jane Blowhard (D), vows to stiffen local gun laws for automatic weapons like those used by Mr. Citizen and those found near the bodies of these 4 innocent teenagers.
USAF385
US Veteran
More proof that our friend has a warped view on U.S. history.Read Federalist number 46. The expressed concern is HAVING a large standing army and needing "a militia of armed CITIZENS" to protect against a military coup. This is not MY INTERPRETATION. These are the words of one James Madison.
Read the 3rd amendment and explain how that doesn't address a tyrannical government doing what they please, taking what they please.
cmort666
Member
"Rational observers" aren't pushing gun control. It's malicious nihilists and people with an irrational fear of firearms. To them, OWNING a gun is prima facia evidence of IRRESPONSIBILITY and NOTHING is going to change that, least of all servile capitulation to their demands.
You seem highly motivated to "bend to their wishes".
The answer is "NO".
No more laws.
No "compromise".
NO I REFUSE.
cmort666
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I'm a liberal and I'm 100% against new gun laws.Liberals with guns. They still think they are better than anyone else. This forum is polluted with them and it is starting to get old.
In fact, I think we should be moving to roll back existing laws, starting with the GCA '68 and ending with repeal of the NFA '34.
cmort666
Member
That wouldn't prove much.
I knew a guy in the Army who thought handguns should be banned.
I asked him why and he told me, "Because they kill people."
I paused, looked him dead in the eye and asked him, "What branch do you belong to?"
He replied, "Field Artillery".
I asked him, "What branch KILLS the most people on the battlefield?"
"Field Artillery", he replied.
"And aren't you applying to go to flight school so that you can be an observer and kill even MORE effectively?", I asked.
"Yes", was the answer.
"And yet you don't like guns 'because they kill people'?"
He had no reply...
Having been in the military is no guarantee that you think clearly, are a good person or believe in individual rights versus unchecked governmental power.
Read Federalist number 46. The expressed concern is HAVING a large standing army and needing "a militia of armed CITIZENS" to protect against a military coup. This is not MY INTERPRETATION. These are the words of one James Madison.
Read the 3rd amendment and explain how that doesn't address a tyrannical government doing what they please, taking what they please.
The Federalist #46
MrJT
US Veteran
Third to last paragraph, the large one.
Seriously, it's right there. In the mind of James Madison, a militia was armed citizens. The people. No need to debate what the founding fathers thought a militia was. Even though anyone who ever bothered to learn U.S. history understands already a militia is not the government.
I'm proud to say the 30 years worth students who had me as a teacher for history or government did not learn the nonsense that the National Guard is what the 2nd was referring to.
cmort666
Member
Anybody who says that the National Guard is the "militia" of the founding fathers is either ignorant or dishonest.
The ironclad proof is the REPEATED federalization of the National Guard CONTRARY to the wishes of various state governors, from the civil rights struggles of the '50s to the use by Reagan of the Guard in Central America in the '80s. You can support or oppose those actions, but you can't deny them.
The Guard is the PROPERTY of the Federal government, which ALLOWS the local states to use it. The Federal government can seize control when it likes. That blows the bow right off of the argument that the National Guard is some kind of check against the actions of the Federal government.
Aticus
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Uh Guys, I'm the one who brought up the hornets nest. It's an old expression from my Grandpa. I've never done it but he told me that if you stirred one up the hornets were a single minded bunch that attacked whatever stirred it up.
Could Bengal07 be a troll?
Could Bengal07 be a troll?
He is over qualified in that department as far as I can see.
I think so....or just very delusional about gun rights, the NRA, and the 2nd Amendment.
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Aticus
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Gentlemen, check the link below. We have a troll!
http://smith-wessonforum.com/lounge/314554-concealed-carry.html
http://smith-wessonforum.com/lounge/314554-concealed-carry.html
USAF385
US Veteran
He also wishes to abolish the 2A Forum.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/forum-office/314403-2d-amendment-forum.html
http://smith-wessonforum.com/forum-office/314403-2d-amendment-forum.html
zotzer
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I certainly don't need to carry a firearm to prove my manhood.....I happen to be a woman.
"Law abiding citizen" is enough for me when it comes to permit availability.
In my particular state, a class is required. No live fire necessary, although to pass the specific class I took, we had to pass timed, live-fire drills.
Most sane people are going to be extremely respectful of a loaded firearm, and seek out some level of education. The fact is, it is their right to have them. I am much more fearful of the loss of personal liberty, and am more than willing to take my chances with fellow citizens' varying levels of firearms competency.
Tracy
"Law abiding citizen" is enough for me when it comes to permit availability.
In my particular state, a class is required. No live fire necessary, although to pass the specific class I took, we had to pass timed, live-fire drills.
Most sane people are going to be extremely respectful of a loaded firearm, and seek out some level of education. The fact is, it is their right to have them. I am much more fearful of the loss of personal liberty, and am more than willing to take my chances with fellow citizens' varying levels of firearms competency.
Tracy
JFootin
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I'm eating popcorn and wondering why this thread hasn't been closed. Want some?
cmort666
Member
I suspect it's a trade-off by the moderators.
The trolls, false flag operators, and A.H.S.A. type shills aren't automatically banned, but they're forced to defend their Brady and regime supplied talking points, a doomed enterprise if there ever was one. They and their dishonest "arguments" ALWAYS come out of it looking like the Japanese Army at the Lunga River and our rhetorical skills (like the marksmanship of the Marines on Guadalcanal) are enhanced.
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