First AR15 - Mistake?

Lost Lake said:
The only thing I would have done differently is told them I want my new AR NOW, as they screwed up, I need it for a training course and an event or two and I won't wait at the back of the line for the AR they already charged me for!

And I would have taken that argument right up the chain of command until I got to someone that would make it happen. ;)

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oooooh that is what I should have done. I may try to call customer service tomorrow and plead my case. Usually I'm very good at this sort of stuff when it comes to "making things right" but I'm a little bit less so when it comes to guns, maybe because women are so outnumbered at the stores, the range, everywhere in regards to gun from purchasing to practicing. Crazy. I mean, buying cars, or houses or whatever, I'm a tough negotiater, but somehow am somewhat less so in this instance . . . except last vehicle we bought . . . guess who they sent the d*mn thank you note to? My husband. I called 'em on it too. I said IF you waited for him to show up at your lot you'd be waiting a very long time as he is perfectly content as long as existing paid for vehicles get you from Point A to Point B and back to Point A again. They apologized . . . but still. I digress.
 
Qwackertoo, In my area, Gander Mountain pricing is typically high. Are you sure that you want the OR model or was that just the one you found available? There is nothing wrong with the OR model, except that you have to purchase sights to run it out of the box. You can use the Eotech and not worry about back up sites, but most would not do that.

From another thread, I am seeing that Kittery Trading Post has both the Sport and the OR in stock. You could purchase the OR and the Eotech separately from Kittery and be at $1380, vs $1499 at Gander. You may even find a different sight than the Eotech 512 that you would rather have. These may not even be the best prices. I know that Academy sells the OR for less than $900 when in stock.

I guess I am suggesting that you slow down and be patient. There are better deals to be had with a little bit of work. When I bought my Sport, they were hot sellers. Word had gotten out that they were a quality rifle at a low price point. It took me several weeks to find one at a good price, but with some patience and working with a local store, I was able to get one.
 
cyphertext said:
Qwackertoo, In my area, Gander Mountain pricing is typically high. Are you sure that you want the OR model or was that just the one you found available? There is nothing wrong with the OR model, except that you have to purchase sights to run it out of the box. You can use the Eotech and not worry about back up sites, but most would not do that.

From another thread, I am seeing that Kittery Trading Post has both the Sport and the OR in stock. You could purchase the OR and the Eotech separately from Kittery and be at $1380, vs $1499 at Gander. You may even find a different sight than the Eotech 512 that you would rather have. These may not even be the best prices. I know that Academy sells the OR for less than $900 when in stock.

I guess I am suggesting that you slow down and be patient. There are better deals to be had with a little bit of work. When I bought my Sport, they were hot sellers. Word had gotten out that they were a quality rifle at a low price point. It took me several weeks to find one at a good price, but with some patience and working with a local store, I was able to get one.
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If Gander has returned your money there are some SW sport's on GB, NIB, with the lowest at 610$ 12 hrs left. As Cyphertext said: Be patient, make sure you get what YOU want at a "reasonable" price. As for gander, wrong gun, replace it TODAY or give me my money back! As far a negotiating gun purchase I believe in practice,practice,practice, get new safe, repeat!!. Be Safe,
 
ARGH said:
but if you are faced with bad guys that intend to do harm i prefer an ar15 over the shotty.
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So your plan is to shoot up the WHOLE neighborhood with an AR because a couple people "intend" to do harm ??? Ever seen what an ACTUAL FMJ 5.56 does coming out the barrel,distruction and the distance it can travel ???
 
This 870 was a recent conversion for a Sheriff Deputy friend of mine. He had an old department-issue wood-stock 870 with a new built-in flashlight forend. I added a $30 Hogue rubber grip and it turned out pretty darned nifty. That's a Streamlight flashlight with a pressure switch. It turns night to day.
 
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Maddmax said:
So your plan is to shoot up the WHOLE neighborhood with an AR because a couple people "intend" to do harm ??? Ever seen what an ACTUAL FMJ 5.56 does coming out the barrel,distruction and the distance it can travel ???
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He has stepped up his game. In his previous thread, he was going to use his M&P 15-22 as home defense because " i do not plan on firing on targets in vehicles or engaging an assasin-like bulglar that is wearing a bullet-proof vest.".

Once he bought the big boy AR, he started envisioning himself in a home invasion with multiple attackers wearing armor.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-15-22/288276-first-time-gun-owner-m-p-15-22-should-have-gone-223-instead.html

After going back and finding this thread, it reminded me that ARGH has been a gun owner and shooter since January....OF THIS YEAR! Four months experience and he is advising on what type of firearm to use? He is now using an AR when four months ago he made statements like "reason i did not get a shotgun or larger caliber revolver was because of the decible levels blowing my familys' ear drums out. with the 12 gauge going off, it would probably shatter all the windows as well."

ARGH, my 14 year old son has more shooting experience than you. About 24x the amount of trigger time that you have.
 
cyphertext said:
He has stepped up his game. In his previous thread, he was going to use his M&P 15-22 as home defense because " i do not plan on firing on targets in vehicles or engaging an assasin-like bulglar that is wearing a bullet-proof vest.".

Once he bought the big boy AR, he started envisioning himself in a home invasion with multiple attackers wearing armor.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-15-22/288276-first-time-gun-owner-m-p-15-22-should-have-gone-223-instead.html

After going back and finding this thread, it reminded me that ARGH has been a gun owner and shooter since January....OF THIS YEAR! Four months experience and he is advising on what type of firearm to use? He is now using an AR when four months ago he made statements like "reason i did not get a shotgun or larger caliber revolver was because of the decible levels blowing my familys' ear drums out. with the 12 gauge going off, it would probably shatter all the windows as well."

ARGH, my 14 year old son has more shooting experience than you. About 24x the amount of trigger time that you have.
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I'm thinking all he's going to "see" is a Flash Bang going off and getting caught with a net.

NEVER EVER thought I'd say it... I'm now starting to REALISE WHY some people SHOULDN'T have weapons... He's been playing TOOOOOO many hostile video games for waaay to long and hitting instant replay.
 
For ten years during the last ban, all ARs were made without the flash suppressor, and people seemed to get along fine. Unless you are doing a lot of shooting at night, with people shooting back at you, they are not that necessary. As for making things louder, you are thinking of a compensator, not the A1 or A2 flash suppressor.
 
New stock in at Gander . . . been watching all week long and clicked tonight and inventory was 17 items instead of the usual 8 all week.

Sport model. 729.00 bucks. NOT compliant to Maryland or New York or CA this time. I think 729 is a good price for this model. Considering the times we are in right now and the difficulty in even finding in stock locally. In different times it could probably be had for less.

Smith Wesson MP15 Sport Centerfire Rifle - Gander Mountain

So now with the Midway order and the ammo from the store event I went to a couple of weeks ago . . . now to find a decent red dot scope for not too much money. I finally admitted the error of my ways on my previous purchase to the husband last night. haha
 
It seems Gander will never get a description of a S&W model correct. The Sport does not have a chrome lined barrel...

You will enjoy that rifle. I like mine.
 
JaPes said:
Shhhhh... You guys will hurt the armchair ninja's feelings.
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i get a chuckle noticing the same people liking eachothers' posts over and over. The keyboard warriors.


Ar15 vs shotgun; keyboard warriors cannot debate. keyboard warriors resort to personal attacks.....and the internets will be internets, lol.
 
ARGH said:
i get a chuckle noticing the same people liking eachothers' posts over and over. The keyboard warriors.


Ar15 vs shotgun; keyboard warriors cannot debate. keyboard warriors resort to personal attacks.....and the internets will be internets, lol.
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My statements/advice are based on facts ( things I have seen , been part of) not something I read, heard, or was told by a friend of an uncle's neighbor's girlfriend. I am not trying to make some one agree with my OPINION, only trying to give someone information that took me the last 40+ years to acquire. I do try to let someone know that something that is said such as " 25 auto as MAN STOPPER " is incorrect, since in real life the 30+ people that I have seen that were shot with a 25 auto, including head shots, survived with minimal discomfort. That my training involves more that shooting paper during the middle of the day. Anyone can like or not like my posts I do not care, but I will like a post that gives factual info. It bothers me when someone with minimal experience says something that is incorrect or could be dangerous to others reading it. I read more than I post, often I post only because info given could cause real injury to those reading it if it is taken as gospel. I like a post based on the POST not the poster. I continue to learn each day and I hope everyone can use the info hereor anywhere to improve tactics, awareness, remain safer. Be Safe,
 
ARGH said:
i get a chuckle noticing the same people liking eachothers' posts over and over. The keyboard warriors.


Ar15 vs shotgun; keyboard warriors cannot debate. keyboard warriors resort to personal attacks.....and the internets will be internets, lol.
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When a person has over 35 years of shooting experience, to include hunting and military experience, there is nothing to debate with a person who has four months of paper shooting experience.

With that said, I find it entertaining, so let's debate.

Draw a 4" circle. Within that circle, take a pencil and poke 9 holes in that circle. Run the pencil all the way through. Cut the circle out and place that circle on your chest, center mass and go look in the mirror. What you are now looking at is the pattern from my shotgun at 7 to 8 yards, using Winchester Super X shot fired from an 18.5" cylinder bore barrel. This is the longest shot I can take within my home.

After seeing that pattern on your chest, which firearm do you think will stop a threat quicker at the distance described? There is no firearm that can guarantee a one shot stop, but at close range, a 12 gauge loaded with 00 buck comes close. A 20 gauge loaded with a 3" shell of #2 buckshot would work well too, with 18 pellets that are smaller.

The shotgun is very destructive at close range. Look back to WW1, the trench warfare. Germany wanted to outlaw the shotgun due to the destructive effect it had in the trenches.

Just to show you that I am being honest about the effectiveness of my shotgun, let's say I had to take a shot at 25 yards. With my shotgun, and the same Winchester Super X load, I wouldn't take it. You will see all over the net that at 25 yards, 00 buck fired center mass on a silhouette, most pellets will stay within the silhouette. Let me say that again, most pellets. With my gun, because I have patterned it, I know that at 25 yards, most pellets equals 3 to 5 with that load. I would have to use a different load if I wanted to utilize the shotgun at that distance. My barrel is cut down, so I do not have the option of a choke. I have to rely on patterning with each load to know what it is capable of. Since I do not have a 25 yd shot within the walls of my home, it doesn't change what I use inside, but it is good to know the limits of the tool you are working with.
 
I still will stick with my 2 sticks of Dynamite...:eek:

I think my couch leg pattern at 7-8yds will be a BIT more aggressive than yer 9 pellets cyphertext...:D:p

Just Saying :D


HAHAHAHAHAHA....


and ARGH... I think cyphertext has trumped ya on his Post... game set and Match...

:)
 
ARGH said:
Use home defense ammo, like winchester pdx 60 grain hollow point, and it will solve the over penetration issue. One center mass placement with a 60+ grain 2700+ fps hollow point round will end the fight.
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I wanted to go back to this statement you made earlier. You can not depend on one shot to stop the fight. Not from your AR, not from your handgun, and not from your shotgun. There is no guarantee. However, when you take into account that 00 buck is 9 projectiles, it has a greater chance of providing the one shot stop.

From real experience while hunting, I have made shots on deer where they dropped instantly in their tracks. I have also made shots that were clean shots in the vitals, a good kill shot, yet the deer ran 50 or 100 yards before laying down.

I have also experienced having a boar hog taking 3 shots from my .30-06 and still having fight in him. All 3 shots were in the "kill zone" for a hog, but none of them ended him. It took a 9mm in the ear at point blank to take him out. I was out of ammo for the rifle at that point.

From these real world experiences that you can not get from simply shooting paper, I prefer to rely on the shotgun at close range. More projectiles means more wound channels which equals greater chance of stopping the threat.
 
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