And in those days, the .45 was King...

[Rule3]

The bean counters and statistics "experts" decided the 9mm was the way to go. Carry more of it, for the weight, and all that rot.

If I was in a battle situation I would want a 45 ACP but not a 1911 ( I know hiss, hiss) With all the new high tech polymer guns that hold 12 or more rounds I still think a FN 45 or similar is a better choice.JMO

 

[PALADIN85020]

The bean counters and statistics "experts" decided the 9mm was the way to go. Carry more of it, for the weight, and all that rot.

If I was in a battle situation I would want a 45 ACP but not a 1911 ( I know hiss, hiss) With all the new high tech polymer guns that hold 12 or more rounds I still think a FN 45 or similar is a better choice.JMO

Actually, the SOCOM Mark 23 illustrated in the OP weighs the same as a 1911A1 (both empty). The mag holds 12 rounds. It's bulky, but with the polymer frame, surprisingly light.

John

 

[Mule Packer]

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Chip,

I's pinn'd down in a sleazy motel in Brinkley, Arkansas one time,
with jest one of those lit'l hide out 9mm pistol.

It was a long night, jest a watchin' them dopers making a living......

I'm a packing a .45 from now on....If I have to tote it in a grass sack.

Su Amigo,
Dave
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Dave:

You're definitely a better man than I am. If I was in that situation, I'd be more nervous than a cat in a dog show! But, as you know from personal experience, a little 9mm hideout is better than a sharp stick. I'm with you, though, pard. I'm stickin' with my .45.

Chip

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

ChattanoogaPhil, that was actually kind of mean!

Okay... okay....

Here we go... Kimber with Hyrda-Shok.



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[ChuckS1]

When I was attending CGSC at FT Leavenworth, I was doing a paper on Army small arms development. One of the really fascinating things about CGSC is that students have access to various historical documents, letters manuals, etc. I was reading some first person accounts of cavalry actions with Indians and one in particular mentioned the effectiveness of .45 Colt ammunition on horses and that the ability to get through and through penetration of Indian ponies at close range with the SAA revolver. Thought that was pretty interesting.

 

[Harrison]

Given how little trigger time the average GI that might be allowed to carry a pistol is given, the 9mm will produce more hits, due to lighter recoil in the M9, than will a arms room 1911. In the long run its probably better to hit someone with a wimpy 9mm than completely miss them with a 45acp. Most of the rack grade 1911s that I shot my last 10 years in the army you were lucky to hit a man sized target at 7yds. That was assuming you shot a pistol regularly and knew the basics of pistol marksmanship. The pistols themselves were really old, beat up pieces of Franken pistols. The last arms room 1911 I remember handling had a Colt frame with a 4 digit serial number, and a WWII Remington Rand slide.

Also, in the 60s and 70s the Army was still teaching the dueling stance, if they even taught a stance, for combat use of the 1911. That is how backward they were.

 

[Kanewpadle]

Not disputing the 45 because it's also my favorite. But here's one cop that went the opposite.

Why one cop carries 145 rounds of ammo on the job

 

[SW CQB 45]

Paladin, some great info and stories you have posted recently. thanks

The Liberator pistol has always been an interest of mine. I have never seen one in person, only pics but I have never seen an image with other guns for comparison.

I actually thought the Liberator was a very small gun, but its not. I wonder if anyone got hit when they were dropped in WWII.

thanks again

 

[BigBill]

I never gave up on my 1911's in 45cal. And I often wondered why the military did. In close quarters combat with the bad guys who refuse to quit the 9mm NATO round has failed in many cases. I think having one NATO caliber for the whole world has failed big-time. I think it was the special ops or delta forces who got the 1911 in 45acp first. It's just like the m16 in 223 could do it all too but the stopping power and range is limited too. This is why the m14's are returning too. My question is who is responsible for removing these two awesome weapons from service anyway?

 

[29aholic]

I love me a big Ol' Colt

A 1909 US Army

 

[Etemmu]

Kinda surprised there are any operators using 1911's with all the other choices available for the most excellent .45 Auto

 

[semperfi71]

What!? No Colt SAA in the first pic?!??!

The standard .45 Long Colt (I said that on purpose) with a 250 grain bullet at about 850 fps has always been a very manageable round for me.

Just recently "re-entered" the world of automatic pistols and bought five 1911 style .45 Autos, one CZ in .40 S&W, and one CZ in 9MM.

Got lots of reloading and brass chasing to do!

 

[Tom K]

I don't see a Singer in that picture. *sniff*

 

[Cyrano]

A 'War Story" about the accuracy of M 1911A1s. I think I've told this before. In the 1960s I had a brigade level pistol team. We were out practicing one day with our National Match 45s (very accurate, and wonderful trigger pulls). The brigade staff showed up for their annual qualification. They brought rack 45s with them. They wanted to shoot our match pistols for their qualification; they were colonels, I was a lieutenant, they shot our pistols. Their results were pretty dismal.

At the lunch break, my team and I shot their rack 45s over the qualification course. it involved silhouette targets and the ranges weren't over 25 yds. We all cleaned the course; shot maximum scores, except for one man. An examination of his pistol showed it had been dropped on the rear sight which was moved over to the right some. The gun shot 'way over to the right.

It's not the pistol: an out of the rack 45 is amply accurate for any combat situation, no matter how much it rattles. It's the shooter: if you can't shoot a pistol well, you're going to miss.

 

[Nedroe]

I'm All In .....

Bowen M28 45acp conversion

Colt Silver Stallion, not so silver anymore

Glock 21 /Crimson Trace module/ SWR can

AR 45 SBR / SWR can

IT IS STILL KING!!
Ned

 

[PALADIN85020]

Paladin, some great info and stories you have posted recently. thanks

The Liberator pistol has always been an interest of mine. I have never seen one in person, only pics but I have never seen an image with other guns for comparison.

I actually thought the Liberator was a very small gun, but its not. I wonder if anyone got hit when they were dropped in WWII.

thanks again

Here's another more closeup shot of a Libby. The .45 hardball rounds might give you another size comparison.

John

 

[PALADIN85020]

I don't see a Singer in that picture. *sniff*

My wife wouldn't let me take out a second mortgage on our home to get one...

John

 

[PALADIN85020]

A 'War Story" about the accuracy of M 1911A1s. I think I've told this before. In the 1960s I had a brigade level pistol team. We were out practicing one day with our National Match 45s (very accurate, and wonderful trigger pulls). The brigade staff showed up for their annual qualification. They brought rack 45s with them. They wanted to shoot our match pistols for their qualification; they were colonels, I was a lieutenant, they shot our pistols. Their results were pretty dismal.

At the lunch break, my team and I shot their rack 45s over the qualification course. it involved silhouette targets and the ranges weren't over 25 yds. We all cleaned the course; shot maximum scores, except for one man. An examination of his pistol showed it had been dropped on the rear sight which was moved over to the right some. The gun shot 'way over to the right.

It's not the pistol: an out of the rack 45 is amply accurate for any combat situation, no matter how much it rattles. It's the shooter: if you can't shoot a pistol well, you're going to miss.

I second that. We had some old grizzled veterans on my Army pistol team that could shoot any rack .45 and outclass the youngsters with their tuned match guns.

John

 

[keith44spl]

I've seen a lot of people shot and the actual hole you get with a .45 ball round is a lot smaller than 45/100ths of an inch, even in paper. I'm no ballistics expert but wouldn't a smaller, faster round, like a .357 hollow point do a lot more damage when it opens up and tears stuff up?

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I find the 9mm and .357s to be fine varmint and small game rounds....But,

"If I'm goin' to hub a lit'l hell, I want a forty-five." As ol Hamer said. And I concur.



Recovered 230 gr. / .45 ACP Winchester Ranger............





Hard ball rounds are purty good for penitration........I use ball ammo to dispatch injured cattle on the roadway.

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[Kanewpadle]

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I find the 9mm and .357s to be fine varmint and small game rounds....But,

"If I'm goin' to hub a lit'l hell, I want a forty-five." As ol Hamer said. And I concur.



Recovered 230 gr. / .45 ACP Winchester Ranger............





Hard ball rounds are purty good for penitration........I use ball ammo to dispatch injured cattle on the roadway.

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Been carrying Ranger T for years. I like it cause I can buy it in a box of 50! So loading more than two magazines doesn't cost me an arm or a leg.